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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #45 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:00am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:58am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:50am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:42am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:41am:

https://i.ibb.co/0qn01jT/covsprd.jpg

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinate...

You've just answered yourself, thats why we still vaccinate

The current crop of vaccines will help you fight the virus and possibly avoid death if you are one of the vulnerable ones.

But that's about the extent of the vaccines.

They do not provide sterilisation immunity.

And once you have been vaccinated you can still catch covid-19 and then transmit it to others.

Just repeating something doesnt negate the fact, its a lowered risk of transmitting. And why are you so focussed on sterilisation immunity, given COVID seems to only termporarily decrease fertility

https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20210129/covid19-reduces-fertility-in-m...

Sterilisation immunity means that once you have been vaccinated you can no longer transmit the virus.

https://i.ibb.co/vBtqM4P/SI.jpg

The issue then is your use of the terminology. Sterilisation immunity and sterilising immunity are not the same thing.

Sorry my bad but that was the intent.

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #46 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:00am

Additionally many vaccines don't induce sterilising immunity, yet we continue to use them.

The advantages are

n the absence of sterilising immunity, what effect might SARS-CoV-2 vaccines have on the spread of a virus through a population? If asymptomatic infections are possible after vaccination, there has been concern that SARS-CoV-2 will simply continue to infect as many people as before. Is this possible?

Asymptomatically infected people typically produce virus at lower levels. Though there is not a perfect relationship, usually more virus equals more disease. Therefore, vaccinated people are less likely to transmit enough virus to cause severe disease. This in turn means that the people getting infected in this situation are going to transmit less virus to the next susceptible person. This has been neatly shown experimentally using a vaccine targeting a different virus in chickens; when only part of a flock was vaccinated, unvaccinated birds still showed milder disease and produced less virus.

So, while sterilising immunity is often the ultimate goal of vaccine design, it is rarely achieved. Fortunately, this hasn’t stopped many different vaccines substantially reducing the number of cases of virus infections in the past. By reducing disease levels in individuals, this also reduces virus spread through populations, and this will hopefully bring the current pandemic under control.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why...

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #47 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:01am

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:00am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:58am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:56am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:50am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:46am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:42am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 10:41am:

https://i.ibb.co/0qn01jT/covsprd.jpg

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinate...

You've just answered yourself, thats why we still vaccinate

The current crop of vaccines will help you fight the virus and possibly avoid death if you are one of the vulnerable ones.

But that's about the extent of the vaccines.

They do not provide sterilisation immunity.

And once you have been vaccinated you can still catch covid-19 and then transmit it to others.

Just repeating something doesnt negate the fact, its a lowered risk of transmitting. And why are you so focussed on sterilisation immunity, given COVID seems to only termporarily decrease fertility

https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20210129/covid19-reduces-fertility-in-m...

Sterilisation immunity means that once you have been vaccinated you can no longer transmit the virus.

https://i.ibb.co/vBtqM4P/SI.jpg

The issue then is your use of the terminology. Sterilisation immunity and sterilising immunity are not the same thing.

Sorry my bad but that was the intent.

And as I have said, not inducing sterilising immunity is not that big a deal.

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #48 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:03am

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Over 80% of people with coronavirus didn’t have key symptoms, UK study finds

University College London researchers studied data collected by U.K. statistics body, the Office for National Statistics, which has been regularly collecting coronavirus testing data from thousands of British households during the pandemic as part of its “infection survey.” The survey tests households whether they have symptoms or not.

The study, which was peer reviewed, looked at 36,061 individuals who took a coronavirus test as part of the infection survey between 26 April and 27 June 2020.

It found that 86.1% of those who tested positive for the virus did not report “core” symptoms associated with the virus (a cough, fever or a loss of taste and/or smell) on the day they took a test. Out of the 115 people that received a positive coronavirus result, only 16 reported the main symptoms that we associate with the virus.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/more-than-80percent-of-people-with-coronavirus-h...

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #49 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:04am

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:03am:

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Over 80% of people with coronavirus didn’t have key symptoms, UK study finds

University College London researchers studied data collected by U.K. statistics body, the Office for National Statistics, which has been regularly collecting coronavirus testing data from thousands of British households during the pandemic as part of its “infection survey.” The survey tests households whether they have symptoms or not.

The study, which was peer reviewed, looked at 36,061 individuals who took a coronavirus test as part of the infection survey between 26 April and 27 June 2020.

It found that 86.1% of those who tested positive for the virus did not report “core” symptoms associated with the virus (a cough, fever or a loss of taste and/or smell) on the day they took a test. Out of the 115 people that received a positive coronavirus result, only 16 reported the main symptoms that we associate with the virus.

The rest here

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/more-than-80percent-of-people-with-coronavirus-h...

https://i.ibb.co/zFtHnjy/covid-19.jpg

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Cool, what about the other 20% who do show symptoms. We vaccinate to reduce our ability to transmit to them.

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #50 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:05am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:03am:

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Over 80% of people with coronavirus didn’t have key symptoms, UK study finds

University College London researchers studied data collected by U.K. statistics body, the Office for National Statistics, which has been regularly collecting coronavirus testing data from thousands of British households during the pandemic as part of its “infection survey.” The survey tests households whether they have symptoms or not.

The study, which was peer reviewed, looked at 36,061 individuals who took a coronavirus test as part of the infection survey between 26 April and 27 June 2020.

It found that 86.1% of those who tested positive for the virus did not report “core” symptoms associated with the virus (a cough, fever or a loss of taste and/or smell) on the day they took a test. Out of the 115 people that received a positive coronavirus result, only 16 reported the main symptoms that we associate with the virus.

The rest here

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/more-than-80percent-of-people-with-coronavirus-h...

https://i.ibb.co/zFtHnjy/covid-19.jpg

Cool, what about the other 20% who do show symptoms. We vaccinate to reduce our ability to transmit to them.

Lets vaccinate the vulnerable.

Why should everyone get it....???

That's what I'm asking....!!!

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A recent study, published in the British Medical Journal, suggested that 78% of people with COVID-19 have no symptoms.

The findings are in line with research from an Italian village at the epicentre of the outbreak showing that 50%-75% were asymptomatic, but represented “a formidable source” of contagion.

A recent Icelandic study also showed that around 50% of those who tested positive to COVID-19 in a large-scale testing exercise were asymptomatic.

Meanwhile, a WHO report found that “80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe infections and 5% are critical infections”.

Though we don’t know what proportion of that 80% were purely asymptomatic, or exactly how the cases were counted, it again points to a large majority of cases who are not going into hospital and being tested.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-dont-show-symptoms...

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #51 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:08am

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:04am:

Ajax wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:03am:

[quote]

Over 80% of people with coronavirus didn’t have key symptoms, UK study finds

University College London researchers studied data collected by U.K. statistics body, the Office for National Statistics, which has been regularly collecting coronavirus testing data from thousands of British households during the pandemic as part of its “infection survey.” The survey tests households whether they have symptoms or not.

The study, which was peer reviewed, looked at 36,061 individuals who took a coronavirus test as part of the infection survey between 26 April and 27 June 2020.

It found that 86.1% of those who tested positive for the virus did not report “core” symptoms associated with the virus (a cough, fever or a loss of taste and/or smell) on the day they took a test. Out of the 115 people that received a positive coronavirus result, only 16 reported the main symptoms that we associate with the virus.

The rest here

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/more-than-80percent-of-people-with-coronavirus-h...

https://i.ibb.co/zFtHnjy/covid-19.jpg

Cool, what about the other 20% who do show symptoms. We vaccinate to reduce our ability to transmit to them.

Lets vaccinate the vulnerable.

Why should everyone get it....???

That's what I'm asking....!!!

Quote:

A recent study, published in the British Medical Journal, suggested that 78% of people with COVID-19 have no symptoms.

The findings are in line with research from an Italian village at the epicentre of the outbreak showing that 50%-75% were asymptomatic, but represented “a formidable source” of contagion.

A recent Icelandic study also showed that around 50% of those who tested positive to COVID-19 in a large-scale testing exercise were asymptomatic.

Meanwhile, a WHO report found that “80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe infections and 5% are critical infections”.

Though we don’t know what proportion of that 80% were purely asymptomatic, or exactly how the cases were counted, it again points to a large majority of cases who are not going into hospital and being tested.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-dont-show-symptoms...

Because not everyone who is vulnerable can be vaccinated due to immunocompromised status. You can't protect all of the herd by only vaccinating the old in the herd. Eventually those you don't vaccinate become vulnerable get the disease and suffer consequences.

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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #53 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:10am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:08am:

Because not everyone who is vulnerable can be vaccinated due to immunocompromised status. You can't protect all of the herd by only vaccinating the old in the herd. Eventually those you don't vaccinate become vulnerable get the disease and suffer consequences.

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Over 80% of people with coronavirus didn’t have key symptoms, UK study finds

There's your herd immunity right there....!

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine Reply #54 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:12am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:09am: I'm still waiting for those 2 magic words Ajax Well if I dont know what your waiting for you will never get it. I'm not a mind reader. So what words are you waiting for....!
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine Reply #55 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:13am I'm just assuming you're going to say Agenda 21 at some point.
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Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine
Reply #56 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:20am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:13am:

I'm just assuming you're going to say Agenda 21 at some point.

Hahaha......................the joke is on you..........agenda 21 is happening as we speak, rules and laws from and by the United Nations being implemented into our domestic laws about land management,use and rights, even bee keeping for goodness sake.

You name it the united nations have their finger in the pie.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine Reply #57 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:22am I think I just got bingo on my CTer ticket.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine Reply #58 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:24am Or the CTer part of my brain just got a massive erection
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Why you should get a covid vaccine Reply #59 - Apr 25^th, 2021 at 11:34am Jokes on you................
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