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Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 2:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 12:37pm:
Not understanding the consequences of what you do is not a rational reason for greater confidence that you should do it.


The consequences are understood. Benign warming. Anything else is irrational. Wink

The fact you can't point to one model that has proved to be correct in 40 years of modeling proves my point. They have all overestimated warming. Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 2:51pm
 
There are plenty of correct models. Global warming has pretty much followed the middle ground of past IPCC predictions.
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Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 3:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 2:51pm:
There are plenty of correct models.



Name one.

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 2:51pm:
Global warming has pretty much followed the middle ground of past IPCC predictions.


You do know the average of 90 model runs doesn't mean one is correct?

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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 5:04pm
 
You are so full of crap your eyes are brown Lee. The actual global temperature data shows those models to be spot on.,
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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 5:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 5:04pm:
The actual global temperature data shows those models to be spot on.,


"Another scientist has pushed back against the doom-and-gloom climate change predictions from the United Nations and other governmental agencies.

Dr. Leslie Woodcock, emeritus professor at the University of Manchester (UK) School of Chemical Engineering and Analytical Science, is a former NASA scientist along with other impressive accomplishments on his distinguished professional resume.

In an interview, he laughed off man-made climate change as nonsense and a money-making industry for the green lobby, which approaches the subject with a religious fervor. Explained Woodcock:

"The term 'climate change' is meaningless. The Earth's climate has been changing since time immemorial, that is since the Earth was formed 1,000 million years ago. The theory of 'man-made climate change' is an unsubstantiated hypothesis [about] our climate [which says it] has been adversely affected by the burning of fossil fuels in the last 100 years, causing the average temperature on the earth's surface to increase very slightly but with disastrous environmental consequences. The theory is that the CO2 emitted by burning fossil fuel is the 'greenhouse gas' causes 'global warming' -- in fact, water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 time more of it in our atmosphere (around one per cent of the atmosphere) whereas CO2 is only 0.04 per cent. There is no reproducible scientific evidence CO2 has significantly increased in the last 100 years. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything in science, it's not significant..."

https://www.inquisitr.com/1234575/nasa-scientist-global-warming-is-nonsense/

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https://nsidc.org/news/inthenews/nasa-scientist-global-warming-nonsense

But you saw the spread of tempertures depicted by the models; which ONE is spot on? An average of climate models is not ONE.

Perhaps you prefer this one?

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"The purple line going through the observations is the Russian model “INM-CM4.” It is the only model that comes close to reality. INM-CM4, over longer periods, does very well at hindcasting observed temperatures. This model uses a CO2 forcing response that is 37% lower than the other models, a much higher deep ocean heat capacity (climate system inertia) and it exactly matches lower tropospheric water content and is biased low above that. The other models are biased high. The model predicts future temperature increases at a rate of about 1K/century, not at all alarming and much lower than the predictions of the other models."

https://andymaypetrophysicist.com/facts-and-theories/

So sad that you have to resort to ad homs to try to make yourself believable. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:02pm
 
Lee you are so full of crap your eyes are brown.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Oh look, 0.86 degree temperature rise since 1983 - pretty much bang in the middle of those predictions.

Is that why you graphs don't show the actual temperature after 2013 - because it would show how full of crap you are?
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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:03pm
 
Why are climate "skeptics" always blatant liars?
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Reply #22 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:02pm:
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Oh look, 0.86 degree temperature rise since 1983 - pretty much bang in the middle of those predictions.



So tell me how they arrive at the global temperature? perhaps I can help you there. This is a little older but explains a lot. -

"The Japanese Meteorological Agency released data on January 5, 2015, that showed 2014 was the warmest year on its record. NASA and NOAA made a similar announcement on January 16. The UK Met Office, which maintains the fourth major global temperature record, ranked 2014 as tied with 2010 for being the hottest year on record on January 26."

"The four research groups mentioned above deal with those gaps in slightly different ways. The Japanese group leaves areas without plenty of temperature stations out of their analysis, so its analysis covers about 85 percent of the globe. The Met Office makes similar choices, meaning its record covers about 86 percent of Earth’s surface. NOAA takes a different approach to the gaps, using nearby stations to interpolate temperatures in some areas that lack stations, giving the NOAA analysis 93 percent coverage of the globe. The group at NASA interpolates even more aggressively—areas with gaps are interpolated from the nearest station up to 1,200 kilometers away—and offers 99 percent coverage."

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/earthmatters/2015/01/21/why-so-many-glob...

Wow. NASA can tell the temperature at home here from Exmouth. How good is that? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And they can tell temperatue all rhe way back to 1880 to within 1/100  of a degree. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:02pm:
Oh look, 0.86 degree temperature rise since 1983 - pretty much bang in the middle of those predictions.



I suggest you look at NOAA's Climate at a Glance.

1983 the anomaly was 0.43ºC and 2021 is 0.85ºC. that makes the warming 0.42ºC.  About twice what you mention. Why is that?


https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series

Set Start date to March 1983 and the end date to 2021.

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 6:03pm:
Why are climate "skeptics" always blatant liars?



Why do you try to discredit yourself? You are succeeding. Wink
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Reply #23 - Apr 25th, 2021 at 10:23pm
 
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So tell me how they arrive at the global temperature?


They measure it.

Why did your "data" stop at 2013? Is it because you are so full of crap your eyes are brown? What happened after 2013?
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Reply #24 - Apr 26th, 2021 at 1:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 10:23pm:
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So tell me how they arrive at the global temperature?


They measure it.



Exactly wrong petal. They calculate it using data from all over. And guess parts of it.

freediver wrote on Apr 25th, 2021 at 10:23pm:
Why did your "data" stop at 2013? Is it because you are so full of crap your eyes are brown? What happened after 2013?


So tell us how much warmer it has got since 2013. I know you want to. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Here is another for you -

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Zeke Hausfather and HadCRUt use Marine Air Temperature in their model as oceans cover most of the erath and that is where all that "missing heat" was slated to go.

But why don't you want to comment on the NOAA data I posted? Wink

Or tell us which climate model was "spot on".
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Reply #25 - Apr 26th, 2021 at 2:27pm
 
Why did you give us a graph with measured data stopping at 2013 Lee? Did it really not occur to you that that is a bit suss?
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Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2021 at 3:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 2:27pm:
Why did you give us a graph with measured data stopping at 2013 Lee? Did it really not occur to you that that is a bit suss?


Seeing as the latest one broadly agrees with the earlier one; No. But keep trying. Wink
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Reply #27 - Apr 26th, 2021 at 5:01pm
 
So it literally did not occur to you that it is a bit suss that it did not have data up to this year? Do you have some kind of fetish for being lied to?
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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2021 at 5:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 5:01pm:
So it literally did not occur to you that it is a bit suss that it did not have data up to this year?



So it still has not occurred to you they were up to date at the moment of them being posted by the authors. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2021 at 5:01pm:
Do you have some kind of fetish for being lied to?



If i had I would rely solely on you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2021 at 6:16pm
 
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So it still has not occurred to you they were up to date at the moment of them being posted by the authors.


There are all sorts of explanations for why you post the crap you do. None of them reflect well on you.
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