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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5485 Gender:	Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians Reply #345 - May 14^th, 2021 at 10:16am This idiot Thorpe is the gift that keeps on giving.....https://distincttoday.net/2021/05/13/indigenous-nt-attorney-general-selena-uibo-...
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Reply #346 - May 14^th, 2021 at 11:10am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 2:59am:

There is no history of Aboriginal Australians... just a lot of folk memory....

....not that there's anything wrong with that...or once the Chinese take over and free the Kaffir - not that there's anything Wong with that........

There was no history of ancient Egypt or ancient Greece or any society without writing like Medieval Europe. Just an awful lot of "folk memory". Verbal history has long been recognised as the storehouse of history for a society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #347 - May 14^th, 2021 at 11:12am

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said. They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate. It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now? Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues. Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30133 Gender:	Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians Reply #348 - May 14^th, 2021 at 11:35am Belgarion wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 10:16am: This idiot Thorpe is the gift that keeps on giving.....https://distincttoday.net/2021/05/13/indigenous-nt-attorney-general-selena-uibo-... Yeah Selena Uibo has more Aboriginal credibility than that divisive idiot Thorpe.
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Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians
Reply #349 - May 14^th, 2021 at 11:39am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 13^th, 2021 at 7:07pm:

Valkie wrote on May 13^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on May 13^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

Valkie wrote on May 11^th, 2021 at 8:15pm:

As amazing as I am, I'm not a culture.

Youve got the intelligence of one.

And you lack the manners of a cane toad.

Cane Toads are useful - harvested and processed they are sold to visitors as Queensland Whiting...

Southerners wouldn't know the difference ey?

Seeings they eat shyte like Flake(Shark) & Basa(Vietnamese Cat Fish).

But really nah .... we do them more as souvenirs.

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Reply #350 - May 14^th, 2021 at 11:57am

Brian Ross wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:10am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 2:59am:

There is no history of Aboriginal Australians... just a lot of folk memory....

....not that there's anything wrong with that...or once the Chinese take over and free the Kaffir - not that there's anything Wong with that........

There was no history of ancient Egypt or ancient Greece or any society without writing like Medieval Europe. Just an awful lot of "folk memory". Verbal history has long been recognised as the storehouse of history for a society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Egyptian, greek and other ancient histories are not based on oral story telling. They did have very extensive written records.
History writing did not start in medieval Europe.

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Reply #351 - May 14^th, 2021 at 12:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:12am:

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said. They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate. It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now? Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues. Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Oh dear oh me oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk tsk

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Reply #352 - May 14^th, 2021 at 12:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:12am:

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said. They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate. It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now? Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues. Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

OK then, here are some aboriginals who refute Pascoe's claims. Although it seems at least one was pressured into a change of heart the original letter shows just what the real aboriginals think: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/bruce-pascoe-scandal-yolngu-now-d...

And there is this from historian Geoffrey Blainey https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bruce-pascoes-claims-about-indigenous-s...

Or this: https://quadrant.org.au/product/bitter-harvest/

When Aboriginal groups and noted historians and authors all get together to offer evidence to counter Pascoe's opinions then I think we can safely say he is wrong.

As for his alleged source material from explorers journals, eems Pascoe was not above altering Sturts words to fit his claims.:
https://australianhistory972829073.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/bruce-pascoe-what-di...

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Reply #353 - May 14^th, 2021 at 2:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:10am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 2:59am:

There is no history of Aboriginal Australians... just a lot of folk memory....

....not that there's anything wrong with that...or once the Chinese take over and free the Kaffir - not that there's anything Wong with that........

There was no history of ancient Egypt or ancient Greece or any society without writing like Medieval Europe. Just an awful lot of "folk memory". Verbal history has long been recognised as the storehouse of history for a society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Clan chronicler has an oral history going back 4000 years or so of wandering.... further back for anyone who tried... but at least they had the decency to start recorded history nearly 2000 years ago..

All well and good to talk about oral history - but there still needs to be some archaelogical proof of assertions... such as something more than fish traps to suggest aquaculture; something more than a few native seeds broadcast occasionally to suggest agriculture; something more than a few tracks following the path of least resistance to suggest trade routes; something better than 5000 tribal groups to suggest there may have been some common law and even possibly government....

Phrase For Today:-

'recoded history' - the revision of history to reflect things other than commonly known and accepted; see Pascoeism; revisionism; also propaganda ......

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Reply #354 - May 14^th, 2021 at 3:02pm

Belgarion wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 12:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:12am:

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said. They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate. It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now? Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues. Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

OK then, here are some aboriginals who refute Pascoe's claims. Although it seems at least one was pressured into a change of heart the original letter shows just what the real aboriginals think: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/bruce-pascoe-scandal-yolngu-now-d...

And there is this from historian Geoffrey Blainey https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bruce-pascoes-claims-about-indigenous-s...

Or this: https://quadrant.org.au/product/bitter-harvest/

When Aboriginal groups and noted historians and authors all get together to offer evidence to counter Pascoe's opinions then I think we can safely say he is wrong.

As for his alleged source material from explorers journals, eems Pascoe was not above altering Sturts words to fit his claims.:
https://australianhistory972829073.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/bruce-pascoe-what-di...

I think that Pascoe bin too close to dat Happy Weed for too long...

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Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians
Reply #355 - May 14^th, 2021 at 4:03pm

Hey bwyannnnnnnnnn

Tap, tap, tap.

Are you in there bwyannnnnnnn?

Did you even read my post where the qualified and experienced archaeologists refuted Pascoe lies?

What evidence do you want?

What would prove to you that Pascoe has no idea and is a liar?

When 4 qualified and very competent archiologists say
PASCOE IS A LIAR.
And you still believe him over said QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED archiologists.

You are either having a brain feet or an aneurysm.

You are somewhat stupid if this isn't enough.

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Reply #356 - May 14^th, 2021 at 4:47pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 3:04am:

Karnal wrote on May 13^th, 2021 at 8:17pm:

Valkie wrote on May 13^th, 2021 at 7:30pm:

Some indigenous peoples have brought many wonderful things to the world.

Not just a stick.

American natives had maize, popcorn and had many very effective farming practices.

They didn't just burn everything
That's why America was green
And Australia is mostly dead.

Ah, so now you're saying Boongs did transform the landscape. Do you know what you are, dear?

You're a deconstructionist. From Boongs to Muzzos to agriculture to terrorism, your arguments inevitably unravel themselves. One just has to watch and wait.

Who's Matty?

That's not what 'deconstruction' means..... it means reducing an issue down to its basic components, analysing them, and then re-constructing them in your own image.....

It doesn't mean simple destruction..... that's a feminist and social science specialty...... destruction and bringing everything down to their intelligence level without any valid idea of how to re-build it ..... apart from giving themselves good incomes and such and feasting on the ruins ....

Who called the American Indians Boongs? YOU?

You Deconstructionist, you.... you devil....

Read your Derrida, dear. Inside every argument is its opposite. Matty exemplifies this perfectly.

Native Americans most certainly are not Boongs, they're Injuns. I myself am no fan of globalised First Nations doctrine, as I have said.

Boongs are Boongs, Injuns are Injuns, Golliwogs, Jigaboos, etc, etc, etc. There is no one indigenous or tinted subspecies, there are plenty.

Likewise, there is no one white colonist. Some were nice, some were complete bastards. Some even looked like Japs.

You?

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Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians
Reply #357 - May 14^th, 2021 at 4:51pm

Valkie wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 4:03pm:

Hey bwyannnnnnnnnn

Tap, tap, tap.

Are you in there bwyannnnnnnn?

Did you even read my post where the qualified and experienced archaeologists refuted Pascoe lies?

What evidence do you want?

What would prove to you that Pascoe has no idea and is a liar?

When 4 qualified and very competent archiologists say
PASCOE IS A LIAR.
And you still believe him over said QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED archiologists.

You are either having a brain feet or an aneurysm.

You are somewhat stupid if this isn't enough.

Did you read the post where Pascoe never actually said that?

No?

No worries. Who's Matty?

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Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians
Reply #358 - May 14^th, 2021 at 5:06pm

Bertie wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:57am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 11:10am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 14^th, 2021 at 2:59am:

There is no history of Aboriginal Australians... just a lot of folk memory....

....not that there's anything wrong with that...or once the Chinese take over and free the Kaffir - not that there's anything Wong with that........

There was no history of ancient Egypt or ancient Greece or any society without writing like Medieval Europe. Just an awful lot of "folk memory". Verbal history has long been recognised as the storehouse of history for a society. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Egyptian, greek and other ancient histories are not based on oral story telling. They did have very extensive written records.
History writing did not start in medieval Europe.

Want a bet? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: A real history of Aboriginal Australians
Reply #359 - May 14^th, 2021 at 6:28pm

Hey bwyannnnnnnnnn

Tap, tap, tap.

Are you in there bwyannnnnnnn?

Did you even read my post where the qualified and experienced archaeologists refuted Pascoe lies?

What evidence do you want?

What would prove to you that Pascoe has no idea and is a liar?

When 4 qualified and very competent archiologists say
PASCOE IS A LIAR.
And you still believe him over said QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED archiologists.

You are either having a brain feet or an aneurysm.

You are somewhat stupid if this isn't enough.

Still nothing bwyannnnnnnnnnnn?????

Amazing how when you get caught out you run away and hide.

Must be the muzzo in you.

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