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Reply #150 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 6:18pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 29^th, 2021 at 2:28pm:

The hypocrisy of the USA is astonishing. The hypocrisy of Ozpolitic China-bashers is astonishing.

"U.S. President James K. Polk, who believed the United States had a “manifest destiny” to spread across the continent to the Pacific Ocean." Not long after this the USA occupied and fought against the Philippines with a million Phillipino deaths.

https://www.history.com/topics/mexican-american-war/mexican-american-war

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The Mexican-American War (1846-1848) marked the first U.S. armed conflict chiefly fought on foreign soil. It pitted a politically divided and militarily unprepared Mexico against the expansionist-minded administration of U.S. President James K. Polk, who believed the United States had a “manifest destiny” to spread across the continent to the Pacific Ocean. A border skirmish along the Rio Grande started off the fighting and was followed by a series of U.S. victories. When the dust cleared, Mexico had lost about one-third of its territory, including nearly all of present-day California, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico.

Causes of the Mexican-American War

Texas gained its independence from Mexico in 1836. Initially, the United States declined to incorporate it into the union, largely because northern political interests were against the addition of a new slave state. The Mexican government was also encouraging border raids and warning that any attempt at annexation would lead to war.

Did you know? Gold was discovered in California just days before Mexico ceded the land to the United States in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Nonetheless, annexation procedures were quickly initiated after the 1844 election of Polk, who campaigned that Texas should be “re-annexed” and that the Oregon Territory should be “re-occupied.” Polk also had his eyes on California, New Mexico and the rest of what is today the U.S. Southwest. When his offer to purchase those lands was rejected, he instigated a fight by moving troops into a disputed zone between the Rio Grande and Nueces River that both countries had previously recognized as part of the Mexican state of Coahuila.

Your gall is astonishing.

You should have it removed & make yourself useful.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #151 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 6:41pm

Basically, now that the war-mongering USA no longer has the USSR to use to generate
fear and hatred in their intentionally-misinformed citizens and 'allies', they've decided
China is to become the new 'communist bogey-man'.

And the stupid, the racists, the flag-waving white-supremacists and the rest of the
Western 'Muppet Show' fell for it, hook line and sinker.

Sadly, the forkwits in our government and media have 'swallowed the Kool-Aid' and
are now trying to force-feed it to Aussie citizens as well.

Fortunately, there are some of us who are interested enough, informed enough, and
smart enough to see through the con-job and are not to buying the rhetoric.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? Reply #152 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 7:43pm The USA fears China's technological evolution and military expansion. The USA is trying to isolate China, however, the consequences of that may result in a shooting war. China is currently seeking to expand its nuclear arsenal.
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Reply #153 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 8:17pm

I know quite a few business people in China who have gotten out and gone back to their home countries. Now that I think about it, they have ALL left and they ALL tell the same story: the Chinese government doesn't want them there anymore and is making life more and more uncomfortable for them. These are white Westerners. Soon the only foreigners left in China will be Africans, Indians, and other undesirables, like Laugh who is welcome to move there.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? Reply #154 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 8:19pm Kat wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 6:41pm: [b][i][color=#000000]Basically, now that the war-mongering USA no longer has the USSR to use to generate fear and hatred in their intentionally-misinformed citizens and 'allies', Right. The USA now has Putin's Russia.
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #155 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 10:28pm

Kat wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 6:41pm:

Basically, now that the war-mongering USA no longer has the USSR to use to generate
fear and hatred in their intentionally-misinformed citizens and 'allies', they've decided
China is to become the new 'communist bogey-man'.

And the stupid, the racists, the flag-waving white-supremacists and the rest of the
Western 'Muppet Show' fell for it, hook line and sinker.

Sadly, the forkwits in our government and media have 'swallowed the Kool-Aid' and
are now trying to force-feed it to Aussie citizens as well.

Fortunately, there are some of us who are interested enough, informed enough, and
smart enough to see through the con-job and are not to buying the rhetoric.

You are like the proverbial vet's horse, displaying all the afflictions and ailments a useful idiot can possibly have.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #156 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 12:28am

AiA wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 8:17pm:

I know quite a few business people in China who have gotten out and gone back to their home countries. Now that I think about it, they have ALL left and they ALL tell the same story: the Chinese government doesn't want them there anymore and is making life more and more uncomfortable for them. These are white Westerners. Soon the only foreigners left in China will be Africans, Indians, and other undesirables, like Laugh who is welcome to move there.

Please, God - I'll even convert from my paganism or whatever it is... agnosticism? Is there anyone else up there? Allah - what's your offer? Laugh to China and fifty virgins?

Better still - don't take me - take Laugh to China...think of the kudos that will follow you forever, Lord...

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #157 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 12:30am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 7:43pm:

The USA fears China's technological evolution and military expansion.

The USA is trying to isolate China, however, the consequences of that may result in a shooting war.

China is currently seeking to expand its nuclear arsenal.

Be a bit odd if the Civilised Nations didn't set about isolating China with that track record. The ladies there are getting so nervous they are offering their sisters as part of a package to get out, bearing with them their millions.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #158 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 8:05am

Frank wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 10:28pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 6:41pm:

Basically, now that the war-mongering USA no longer has the USSR to use to generate
fear and hatred in their intentionally-misinformed citizens and 'allies', they've decided
China is to become the new 'communist bogey-man'.

And the stupid, the racists, the flag-waving white-supremacists and the rest of the
Western 'Muppet Show' fell for it, hook line and sinker.

Sadly, the forkwits in our government and media have 'swallowed the Kool-Aid' and
are now trying to force-feed it to Aussie citizens as well.

Fortunately, there are some of us who are interested enough, informed enough, and
smart enough to see through the con-job and are not to buying the rhetoric.

You are like the proverbial vet's horse, displaying all the afflictions and ailments a useful idiot can possibly have.

Kool-Aid nice was it, Frank?

Seems so.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12643 Gender:	Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? Reply #159 - Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 12:34pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 12:30am: Be a bit odd if the Civilised Nations didn't set about isolating China with that track record. Civilized nations? You mean like the US who regularly ignores UN rulings?
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Bertie Gold Member Offline Posts: 785 Gender:	Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? Reply #160 - Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 9:47pm They don't want war. They just want China to be honest. BIG ASK.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95399 Gender:	Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? Reply #161 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:45pm Bertie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 9:47pm: They don't want war. They just want China to be honest. BIG ASK. Are the Chows inferior to Whitey, dear lady? We're curious. We're keen to hear what you think.
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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #162 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm

Bertie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 9:47pm:

They don't want war. They just want China to be honest.

BIG ASK.

Cor blimey, the US is absolutely paranoid about China's economy surpassing the US. "Biden: "not on my watch".... That's why Biden is attempting to get Putin onside....a reversal of the situation in 1971 during the height of the Cold War, when Nixon cosied up to China.

[At the time the US economy was double the size of the USSR, but nuclear capabilities of the two sides were comparable (ensuring MAD). Now China will soon overtake the US economy, so Biden would like to hinder a China/Russian alliance.....but Putin is too smart, he knows (with his nuclear arsenal) he can play an elevated role in the emerging new multipolar world, by keeping his distance from the US].

As for honesty, it is viewed through ideological lenses.

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them; the US - for 20 years - tried and failed to bomb them into submission, resulting in wide-spread poverty in Afghanistan, cf with the increasing living standards in Xinjiang.

Which is the more honest and productive method for dealing with Islamist terrorism?

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #163 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 5:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

Bertie wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 9:47pm:

They don't want war. They just want China to be honest.

BIG ASK.

Cor blimey, the US is absolutely paranoid about China's economy surpassing the US. "Biden: "not on my watch".... That's why Biden is attempting to get Putin onside....a reversal of the situation in 1971 during the height of the Cold War, when Nixon cosied up to China.

[At the time the US economy was double the size of the USSR, but nuclear capabilities of the two sides were comparable (ensuring MAD). Now China will soon overtake the US economy, so Biden would like to hinder a China/Russian alliance.....but Putin is too smart, he knows (with his nuclear arsenal) he can play an elevated role in the emerging new multipolar world, by keeping his distance from the US].

As for honesty, it is viewed through ideological lenses.

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them; the US - for 20 years - tried and failed to bomb them into submission, resulting in wide-spread poverty in Afghanistan, cf with the increasing living standards in Xinjiang.

Which is the more honest and productive method for dealing with Islamist terrorism?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16550 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China? Reply #164 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 5:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm: cf with the increasing living standards in Xinjiang. Well, when you sterilise their women, the slave wages their men bring in goes a lot further, I'm sure. One way to raise living standards I supose.
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