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Reply #180 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:43am

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

I believe your definition was Christian civilisation. You used a secular humanist to back it up.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Well that's just embarrassing.

Stuffed if i know who's left on this forum to notice though.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #181 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:46am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

Firstly, if you think that a 're-education' camp run by the Chinese regime is anything less than a culturally genocidal or actually genocidal machine then you are as naive as nearly all your posts have demonstrated.

If you can imagine the post-WW2 German chancellors giving party speeches to the nation from above a 6 x 4.6-metre image of Adolf Hitler and beneath a giant swastika, and praising him as the 'erster großer Führer von der Neues Deutsches Reich' then you may start to understand what you are really dealing with.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #182 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:49am

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

I believe your definition was Christian civilisation. You used a secular humanist to back it up.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

By you, every time. You could not be honest if you tried and you never try.

I said Western civilisation, much of which is founded on Christisn ideas and ideals, such as equality before the law, scientific investigation of nature, community and indeed secularism itself (separation of church and state) and others.
It is open to everyone and its tenets are colourblind and apply to all regardless of their sex or nationality.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #183 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:52am

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:49am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

I believe your definition was Christian civilisation. You used a secular humanist to back it up.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

By you, every time. You could not be honest if you tried and you never try.

I said Western civilisation, much of which is founded on Christisn ideas and ideals, such as equality before the law, scientific investigation of nature, community and indeed secularism itself (separation of church and state) and others.
It is open to everyone and its tenets are colourblind and apply to all regardless of their sex or nationality.

Is Agatha recruiting?

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #184 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:55am

Agatha, have i got you right?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:34am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

Ah. So Western culture is superior, no?

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #185 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 11:03am

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

Agatha, have i got you right?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:34am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

Ah. So Western culture is superior, no?

Superior to what?
Communist China? Yes, of course it is.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #186 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 11:15am

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 11:03am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

Agatha, have i got you right?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:34am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

Ah. So Western culture is superior, no?

Superior to what?
Communist China? Yes, of course it is.

You're shifting the goal posts. Uncomfortable?

And in what ways is Western culture superior to Communist China? Do you think it's superior in obesity rates? Care for extended family members?

What ways specifically is Western culture superior?

Surely, the intelligent mind would concerned itself less with rankings than collaboration. Why dismiss something we consider "inferior" when many of it's aspects are those we can learn from?

Alas, i suspect this will be a bridge to far for you, Agatha. Ypu're about assimilation, not adaptation.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #187 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:07pm

There is a hierarchy in everything. We use words like better or best all the time, every day as we discern difference. Whatever you choose you judge it better than what you don't. We discern difference between individuals, befriend some, avoid others. We distinguish between skills, attitudes, ideas, everything. We do not live as if everything was just like everything else.

Chinese communism is worse than Western civilisation because it is not as open and free or indeed as cooperative.
As for getting fat, you are free to or not. Can't say the same for the millions of famine victims in China, North Korea, the Soviet Union who died because of culturally induced starvation.

Western civilisation is very open to learning from other cultures, that is one of its significant universalising aspects. It is strengthened by its openness to new ideas and improvements. Most traditional cultures die when exposed to new ways.

Western civilisation thrives on critical analysis. In China they put you in jail for it. That's inferior and 'cooperating' with that is appeasing monsters, however slim they may be.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #188 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:33pm

western civilisation WAS superior.

but thanks to the likes of mothra, those days are going

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The administrators in charge of higher education in the UK have embraced some of the worst features of the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One of the aims of the Cultural Revolution was to mobilise young people to loathe their ancestors and to purge the present of their influence. It seems that Sheffield University has wholeheartedly embraced this doctrine and is planning to discredit the reputation of one of the world’s greatest scientists, Sir Isaac Newton.

In the case of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the purging of the past was promoted because it was viewed as essential for the realisation of communism. British university bureaucrats, on the other hand, justify their war against the nation’s historical figures in the name of the sacred principle of diversity.

A leaked copy of the ‘draft inclusive curriculum development’ to ‘decolonise’ the engineering curriculum at Sheffield University warns that Newton may have benefited from ‘colonial-era activity’. Apparently, the engineering faculty at Sheffield will decolonise its curriculum in an effort to tackle ‘long-standing conscious and unconscious biases’ among students, to challenge ‘Eurocentric’ and ‘white saviour’ approaches to science and maths, and to promote ‘inclusive design’. That is another way of saying students should feel guilty and show their loathing for the founders of the science they are studying.

I for one will be boycotting all forms of transportation that adhere to that racist Isaac Newton’s so-called “laws of motion”.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #189 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:44pm

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:49am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

I believe your definition was Christian civilisation. You used a secular humanist to back it up.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

By you, every time. You could not be honest if you tried and you never try.

I said Western civilisation, much of which is founded on Christisn ideas and ideals, such as equality before the law, scientific investigation of nature, community and indeed secularism itself (separation of church and state) and others.
It is open to everyone and its tenets are colourblind and apply to all regardless of their sex or nationality.

And I could not agree more. But that's only what you said.

What you think, and express here on a daily basis, is something different entirely, which is why you threw in the qualifier of Christian.

This, dear boy, is the very definition of a porkie. Tendentious, mendacious, slippery, yeah-but-no-but agit-prop.

You feign Western humanism while you rail against the tinted. You use the Enlightenment to defend white supremacism. This is why you squirm over the definition of racism.

It fits you to a tee.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #190 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:49pm

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 11:15am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 11:03am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:55am:

Agatha, have i got you right?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:34am:

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:32am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 8:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 7:13am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 5:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 4:46pm:

eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them

Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps.

History repeating itself.

I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China

I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm Roll Eyes

What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot?

I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose.

Western civilisation.

Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form.

Ah. So Western culture is superior, no?

Superior to what?
Communist China? Yes, of course it is.

You're shifting the goal posts. Uncomfortable?

And in what ways is Western culture superior to Communist China? Do you think it's superior in obesity rates? Care for extended family members?

What ways specifically is Western culture superior?

Surely, the intelligent mind would concerned itself less with rankings than collaboration. Why dismiss something we consider "inferior" when many of it's aspects are those we can learn from?

Alas, i suspect this will be a bridge to far for you, Agatha. Ypu're about assimilation, not adaptation.

Aquascoot makes the case that it is, based on the criteria of authoritarianism.

Civilisation has its discontents, no?

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #191 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:50pm

Bertie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:07pm:

There is a hierarchy in everything. We use words like better or best all the time, every day as we discern difference. Whatever you choose you judge it better than what you don't. We discern difference between individuals, befriend some, avoid others. We distinguish between skills, attitudes, ideas, everything. We do not live as if everything was just like everything else.

Chinese communism is worse than Western civilisation because it is not as open and free or indeed as cooperative.
As for getting fat, you are free to or not. Can't say the same for the millions of famine victims in China, North Korea, the Soviet Union who died because of culturally induced starvation.

Western civilisation is very open to learning from other cultures, that is one of its significant universalising aspects. It is strengthened by its openness to new ideas and improvements. Most traditional cultures die when exposed to new ways.

Western civilisation thrives on critical analysis. In China they put you in jail for it. That's inferior and 'cooperating' with that is appeasing monsters, however slim they may be.

Yes...

It's typical of those who are incapable of comprehending history...

Western civilisation has had multitudes of crisis moments, but has always revived (even reinvented) itself. It's fluid like that.

To name a few: The Renaissance, the fall of Constantinople, the Protestant Reformation, the hundreds of years of European religious and political wars, the Enlightenment, the American Revolution, the US Civil War, the first world war, the downfall of European monarchies and the old political orders, the resistance against the destructive social force of Marxism that gave a political platform to the most murderous dictators in history (the antithesis of what Marx himself imagined), the Great Depression, the rise of fascism, the second world war, the Holocaust, the dissolution of colonial empires...

All of these, at their outset, were predicted to end 'Western' civilisation... But they didn't. And neither will the effete 'force' of 'wokeism'.

And neither will the Chinese regime... The last vestige of perverted Marxism being used to justify an absolute and murderous dictatorship.

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Re: Why does Aussie Anglo elite want war with China?
Reply #192 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:50pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:33pm:

western civilisation WAS superior.

but thanks to the likes of mothra, those days are going

If Isaac Newton can be cancelled, no one is safe
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The administrators in charge of higher education in the UK have embraced some of the worst features of the Chinese Cultural Revolution. One of the aims of the Cultural Revolution was to mobilise young people to loathe their ancestors and to purge the present of their influence. It seems that Sheffield University has wholeheartedly embraced this doctrine and is planning to discredit the reputation of one of the world’s greatest scientists, Sir Isaac Newton.

In the case of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the purging of the past was promoted because it was viewed as essential for the realisation of communism. British university bureaucrats, on the other hand, justify their war against the nation’s historical figures in the name of the sacred principle of diversity.

A leaked copy of the ‘draft inclusive curriculum development’ to ‘decolonise’ the engineering curriculum at Sheffield University warns that Newton may have benefited from ‘colonial-era activity’. Apparently, the engineering faculty at Sheffield will decolonise its curriculum in an effort to tackle ‘long-standing conscious and unconscious biases’ among students, to challenge ‘Eurocentric’ and ‘white saviour’ approaches to science and maths, and to promote ‘inclusive design’. That is another way of saying students should feel guilty and show their loathing for the founders of the science they are studying.

I for one will be boycotting all forms of transportation that adhere to that racist Isaac Newton’s so-called “laws of motion”.

Do you have a link to this prank?

I'm curious.

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Reply #194 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 1:28pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2021 at 12:44pm: