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Karnal
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Bertie wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 4:37pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 3:37pm: Bertie wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 1:28pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 12:44pm: Bertie wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 10:49am: Karnal wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 10:37am: Bertie wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 10:32am: Karnal wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 8:58am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 7:13am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5 th, 2021 at 5:15am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 4 th, 2021 at 4:46pm: eg, China has dealt with fundamentalist Islamist terrorists in Xinjiang by re-educating them
Yes... That was the similar Nazi explanation for concentration camps. History repeating itself. I think most people put on trains bound for Auschwitz would have much preferred to arrive at a camp in western China I think most people in Baghdad circa 2000 to 2020 would have preferred a belt and road initiative to operation desert Storm  What about superior White civilisation, Aquascoot? I believe that's the point Agatha was trying to make before she went off to powder her nose. Western civilisation. Your sneaky distorting of what I said is true to your form. I believe your definition was Christian civilisation. You used a secular humanist to back it up. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? By you, every time. You could not be honest if you tried and you never try. I said Western civilisation, much of which is founded on Christisn ideas and ideals, such as equality before the law, scientific investigation of nature, community and indeed secularism itself (separation of church and state) and others. It is open to everyone and its tenets are colourblind and apply to all regardless of their sex or nationality. And I could not agree more. But that's only what you said.What you think, and express here on a daily basis, is something different entirely, which is why you threw in the qualifier of Christian.This, dear boy, is the very definition of a porkie. Tendentious, mendacious, slippery, yeah-but-no-but agit-prop. You feign Western humanism while you rail against the tinted. You use the Enlightenment to defend white supremacism. This is why you squirm over the definition of racism. It fits you to a tee. Let me ask you a question with two sides: do you think there are cultures that are worse than Western civilisation? Are you prepared to name them? Are there any that are superior to it? Are you prepared to name them? Now you're curious. The problem with the term "Western civilisation" is that it can be applied by those as diverse as Adorno/Horkheimer, if you will, Winston Churchill and good old V.S Naipaul to mean totally different things. It's a universal signifier, like capitalism, patriarchy, modernism or, to coin a much-loved phrase, the Aryan race. I'm not against using it, but you have shown yourself how squishy it can be applied. You use it to mean everything from Christianity to industrialisation to scientific rationalism to ahem, liberalism. Hence the question: ever get the feeling you've been cheated? Complete nonsense. That Western civilisation is diverse and fruitful in so many areas is precisely due to its openness and that is what makes it a universalist, not a particularist, civilisation. It is a generator of new ideas (including bad ideas like Marxism or Nazism and many others) and inventions like no other civilisation. That is one of its most significant aspects, distinguishing it from other traditions. The Frankfurt School, Churchill, Christianity, Marxism, capitalism, liberalism, experimental scientific thinking and industrialisation, socialism, modernity, post-modernity, human rights, etc ALL, without exception, originate from Western civilisation and no other culture. Other cultures adopt them, learn from them, partake in them. For example, the Chinese Communist Party's ideology originates from a German-Jewish layabout's misinterpretations of Adam Smith, Hegel and French philosophy, with a large dose of a Russian layabout's political tactics. Marxist Leninist ideology originates in the Western tradition, not in China or Korea or Vietnam. This also illustrates than not every idea is good just because it is generated in the Western intellectual tradition.i Just so. We completely agree. Are you ready to answer the question now, or do you have a supplementary?
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