You're going insane Karnal, you tell fibs and refuse to answer questions, you must be a paranoid schizophrenic the way you go on. You need to seek help

Karnal wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 12:14am:


Seek help Karnal ... the fibs and questions didn't have to be in this thread

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 5:36am:

You need to speak to non-Chinese (or emigrated Chinese with no family links to China) who have lived in China both before and after the dictatorship of Xi Jinping.

Not just those who have flashed through the showcase cities on a tourist route.

You're one of the many useful idiots who cannot or would not see past the facade.

Outside the showcase cities, there is obvious poverty, neglect and massive discrimination of ethnic minorities and in the cities a contempt for rural and migrant workers.

There are highways that lead to nowhere, ghost cities and massively degraded living conditions due to over-industrialisation.

The rapidity of development where it has occurred is often so poorly done, that it collapses on its own or cannot withstand even minor natural events (like floods or very minor earthquakes). So-called 'tofu buildings' literally dissolve with enough rainfall.

In most cities, foreigners are not welcome and will be turned away from motels and hotels; usually for two reasons: the locals do not like foreigners and/or secondly, the police paperwork required is not worth the effort.

Foreigners are watched and their movements monitored by law. If you live in one place you must register with the police. If you stay even overnight in another residence, you are required to report your location every time.

The ethnic minorities in China hate the Han... And the feeling is mutual.

Mass and intrusive surveillance is ubiquitous.

Outside restaurants there are signs 'No foreigners allowed' and (even more sinister) 'No blacks allowed' (reminiscent of the US up to the 50's?).

Any political conversation of any kind is an extreme risk as there are locals who will report any hint of anti-regime activity or talk. This leads to malicious framing of people (both foreign and local).

Foreigners (with very few exceptions) will not be granted citizenship regardless of their commitment to the country (e.g. a Chinese spose and/or children and a permanent job even ownership of a house, which is actually only a lease for 7 years as no one - or very few - can own a house permanently).

Police stops and checks are everywhere and even the slightest discrepancy can have you detained or arrested.

The regime makes the claim that the nation is under the rule of law, but that's a lie. Its a mistranslation of what is known in China as law-rule. Not the same thing as rule of law. The effect of this is that the law largely does not apply to the party hierarchy (unless the person falls foul of the party) and the laws are arbitrary or so loosely defined that they can be interpreted in any way the regime wants them interpreted (hence a 99.9% prosecution success rate).

Police and security bureau officers often just make up the laws on the fly if they want to detain you. The arrest will be supported by the regime regardless of the 'unlawful' arrest.

The Chinese regime is a totalitarian state almost identical to Stalin's Soviet Union and Hitler's Germany.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 7:01am:

The operative word is idiot.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 7:51am:

It's something like Groundhog Day with you.

After a few weeks you restart the tractor and plough the same field, whether it needs ploughing or not.

Chinese people are known for their relentless industriousness and capacity for hard work. There'd be few who would deny that and I'm not one who does.

If anything accounts for China's progress from 1980, after Mao had left the nation in ruins and Deng had hauled the regime off the 'narrow path to success' (to borrow your phrase), it was the Chinese people themselves.

And they would have reached the stars under democratic liberalism and have easily been the most respected and greatest democracy on earth and actually would have pulled off a genuine miracle without the sinister backstories as Japan did.

However, it was not to be that easy.

When the regime under Deng realised that the Chinese people really did not need the regime to thrive (beyond anyone's imagination), he knew it had to be stopped.

And when the Chinese people realised that they could succeed beyond anyone's imagination under a liberal democracy, they began to demand one.

That was when the regime struck... They threw the baby out of the bathwater and the enlightened youth under the tanks at Tiananmen Square.

There was to be no economic 'miracle' that this brutal regime would allow unless it maintained absolute control over the enlightened millions and crushed their democratic aspirations; not for the good of the people, but for their own murderous and narcissistic need for control (and, no doubt, from a fear of accountability for the crimes apparatchiks certainly have and would likely have to answer for under a democratic government).

However, for some time, things remained liberal enough to pull off a partial miracle, but much less than the people themselves could have achieved (in the same way Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea have done).

Xi Jinping is reversing all that and is returning China to hardline Maoism.

As for building anything big in China, nothing gets started unless the entrepreneur bends the knee to the regime and understands that his/her success exists only at the pleasure of the regime. And for that they will get a ready supply of slave workers or people working at slave-pay rates mostly sourced from impoverished rural areas and forbidden from becoming a part of city life by various regime-imposed restrictions.

And when the entrepreneur falls out with the regime he is gone-gone and his property and wealth confiscated.

996… Heard of it? People in China are expected to work from 9am to 9pm 6 days a week.

If I were to start up a factory under the regime I could 'employ' White Knight and spot of  Borg and thousands of others and have them slaving virtually for little to no wages. I could even get away with not paying them at all to meet regime quotas and/or to stay afloat. They would be living in concrete boxes and forbidden from doing anything in their ‘free time’ except walking around the compound.

The regime exploits slave labour the way Stalin’s gulags and Hitler’s concentration camps did.

And that’s just the start of it. Dissidents can be used for their organs, reportedly sometimes extracted from the victim without anaesthetic.

To support this regime is to have supported Stalin and Hitler.

If that’s who you are, you don’t deserve to live in Australia.

Setanta wrote on Jul 4^th, 2021 at 5:58pm:


https://journal-neo.org/2021/03/02/western-attempts-to-smear-china-over-its-uigh
ur-population-will-fail/

"The Uighur population in the region increased between 2010 and 2018 by 2.87 million, or just over 22% in that period. The Han population (China’s ethnic majority) increased from 8,800,000 to 9,000,000 in the same period, or 2%."

Looks like the authorities missed quite a few women...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 6^th, 2021 at 12:04pm:



that sounds like an exageration.

the ughirs for example are a primitive people with no skills.
they get paid, they get skills, they learn the language.
they come out at the other snd, integrated, educated and with skills .

stop pretending that the chinese exploit their people.
their people are getting richer and richer and richer.
they dominate ivy league and western universities.

please fill me in on how many aushwitz jews himmler sent to harvard, yale and princeton for an education