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May 25th, 2021 at 2:22pm
 
Israel did not win the war on Gaza ... Israel should take note: the weight of opinion is turning against it

"But they’re not fooling anyone. Israel knows that it has endured a strategic disaster, the “most failed and pointless border war” in its history, according to Haaretz’s editor, Aluf Benn. It did not see the Hamas attack coming and its vulnerability under fire will have been noted by Hezbollah to the north, which holds a much more powerful arsenal than Hamas’s, and by Hezbollah’s patron in Tehran."

International public opinion and especially public opinion in the USA is turning against Israel based on the abominable killing of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and the violation of the rights of Palestinians in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.

There are also actions in the USA which has produced judgements that actions by state governments against people and organizations involving themselves in BDS is illegal according to the USA constitution. This will stifle Israel's campaign against the BDS movement.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/21/israel-opinion-western-attitudes-middle-east

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Israel should take note: the weight of opinion is turning against it
Jonathan Freedland

Thanks in part to a global focus more intense than on any other conflict, western attitudes to the Middle East may be shifting

Fri 21 May 2021 16.10 BST

It’s not over, because it’s never over. But there is at least the hope of a pause. After less than a fortnight in which nearly 250 people have been killed, both Hamas and Israel agreed late on Thursday to hold their fire, each crafting a victory story to tell the world and themselves.

For Hamas, the narrative is simple enough. Despite being caged in a tiny terrain, and with a fraction of their foe’s resources, they managed to surprise the enemy and strike at its civilian heart. They unleashed a torrent of missiles, more sophisticated than before, some of them breaching Israel’s Iron Dome defence system and landing not only on Israel’s peripheral towns but also its central city of Tel Aviv. It can claim, ahead of its Fatah rivals in the West Bank, to be the guardian of the Muslim holy places in Jerusalem. What’s more, it watched with satisfaction as a hole was ripped in Israel’s social fabric, with the country’s Jewish and Arab citizens attacking each other on streets they once shared.

For Israel, the generals are briefing that Operation Guardian of the Walls degraded Hamas’s military capacity, that most of those it killed were Hamas fighters, and that more has been done in the last 10 days than the equivalent offensives of 2009, 2012 and 2014 combined.

But they’re not fooling anyone. Israel knows that it has endured a strategic disaster, the “most failed and pointless border war” in its history, according to Haaretz’s editor, Aluf Benn. It did not see the Hamas attack coming and its vulnerability under fire will have been noted by Hezbollah to the north, which holds a much more powerful arsenal than Hamas’s, and by Hezbollah’s patron in Tehran.

Still, the bigger failings predate and go beyond this latest eruption. Israel told itself all was quiet on the Gaza front. More than that, it thought it had stilled the Palestinian issue altogether, convinced that its “Abraham accords” with Gulf states and others had made the Palestinians all but irrelevant. It has now seen the folly of that delusion.

Which points to the other strategic danger for Israel. It could yet prove ephemeral; the international attention span is short, people might soon scroll on to the next big thing. But plenty of credible observers wonder if a turning point was reached this last fortnight in the way the Israel/Palestine conflict is seen around the world and especially in the west. For a loud and influential segment of opinion, it is being reframed not as a national conflict of competing claims, but as a straightforward matter of racial justice. Note the placards at last weekend’s demonstration in London: Palestine Can’t Breathe and Palestinian Lives Matter.

Framed that way, #FreePalestine could be on its way to joining #MeToo or #BlackLivesMatter as an issue that a global generation regards as of paramount importance, championed not just by politicians but by the leading lights of popular culture, from footballers to singers to fashion influencers with millions of followers. The intercommunal clashes between Jews and Arabs inside Israel reinforce that reading, with incidents of police brutality or discrimination in the criminal justice system that seem to map neatly on to the BLM template.

Those with a strong connection to Israel scratch their heads at this, wondering why, of all the appalling things going on in the world, this is the one that cuts through – bringing huge crowds on to the streets of European capitals, filling up social media timelines. They note that people who have barely stirred at the detention of a million Uyghur Muslims in China; who have not so much as “liked” a tweet about the tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslims murdered by Myanmar; who rarely get agitated by the 200,000 civilians butchered by the Assad regime in Syria or by the 130,000 killed in Saudi Arabia’s war on Yemen; and who might be wholly unaware of the 52,000 estimated to have been killed in the Ethiopian-Tigray conflict since November, have nevertheless been filled with fury by events in Gaza.

Much of the explanation is that Israel/Palestine is simply more visible ...
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:27pm
 
Hamas did not win the war on Israel. Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:37pm
 
No one wins in the Middle East -
those idiots have been killing each other for 5,000
years over religion.
It's not news - forget about it.
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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 2:37pm:
No one wins in the Middle East -
those idiots have been killing each other for 5,000
years over religion.
It's not news - forget about it.


Bobby, have you already stopped rejoicing over the death of 200+ Palestinians including 60+ children?
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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2021 at 2:59pm
 
The Guardian is hardly a reputable source. The article is merely anti-Israel propaganda.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2021 at 3:03pm
 
Belgarion wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 2:59pm:
The Guardian is hardly a reputable source. The article is merely anti-Israel propaganda.  Roll Eyes


The world is turning against Israel's violations of human rights and acts of genocide and murder.

Belgarion's steaming dogma pile has congealed into a solid, impenetrable mass.
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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2021 at 3:19pm
 
The cocksuckers should stop pouring aid money into Israel unless they make serious efforts to settle a two states solution.

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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2021 at 5:18pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 3:19pm:
The cocksuckers should stop pouring aid money into Israel unless
they make serious efforts to settle a two states solution.




That won't happen with Israel controlling American politics.
Israel gets $3 billion per annum in free
weapons from the USA which they use to kill Arabs with.
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Reply #8 - May 26th, 2021 at 9:21am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 25th, 2021 at 2:22pm:
Israel did not win the war on Gaza ... Israel should take note: the weight of opinion is turning against it

Israel won the war in Gaza against Hamas.There's no question about that.

But Hamas was fighting two wars. A show one against Israel, which it neither won nor expected to win.

The other 'war' was against Fatah in the West Bank... A war for the soul of Palestinians.

Hamas is trying to eclipse Fatah in the minds of the Palestinians as the 'true' defenders of Palestine and that is the perceived victory Hamas has been celebrating.

However, there was almost no support for Hamas throughout the Middle East. The Arab nations are done with this endless anti-Israelism.

Now Israel is in the position of being able to aid the Fatah in the West Bank against Hamas as a 'favour' to the PA and its President Mahmoud Abbas.

Of course, this 'favour' will come at a cost: the eventual annexation of the West Bank by Israel.

This is not a religious war... It's realpolitik in action.
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Reply #9 - May 26th, 2021 at 1:04pm
 
Israel didn't fight a war on Gaza - it bombed the sh1t out of Hamas in Gaza.  Subtle difference.

Even this article states that Hamas struck first with a 'a barrage of rockets'...

Now Poppets - that is what they call 'spin'.

Down at Ye Olde Knesset:-

"Well, Ivrim, what's happening today?"

"Well, pretty much the usual, Benny - Hamas fired off a few rockets and we clobbered them in return."

"Good Jehovah - were any civilians killed?"

"A couple on our side...."
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Reply #10 - May 26th, 2021 at 1:44pm
 
Grappler, you are losing the grapple with the truth.

It wasn't a war, it was an Israeli atrocity against Palestinian civilians.

Those that support Israel are complicit in Israel's crimes.

Those that know what is happening but remain silent are complicit in Israel's crimes.
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Reply #11 - May 26th, 2021 at 1:47pm
 
Hamas struck first with a 'a barrage of rockets'
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Reply #12 - May 26th, 2021 at 3:31pm
 
Israelis are aware that the recent campaign was not a victory. It started in 1947 and, due to the nature of the tribes, it will never end. Every Israeli is a frontline soldier.
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Reply #13 - May 26th, 2021 at 3:53pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 26th, 2021 at 3:31pm:
Israelis are aware that the recent campaign was not a victory. It started in 1947 and, due to the nature of the tribes, it will never end. Every Israeli is a frontline soldier.

Of course Israel won... They have proved to Iran that Hamas can and will be destroyed and they have the cards to 'assist' Fatah against Hamas in the West Bank.

The Israelis stand to gain the West Bank, the abandonment of Hamas by the Arab world and the further isolation of Iran in the Middle East and the world.

The enormous extent of Israel's victory is yet to be revealed.
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Reply #14 - May 26th, 2021 at 5:24pm
 
no one in the middle east , apart from the iranians like the palestinians.

saudi wont help them or take them, iraq doesnt want them, jordan and the emirates the same.

only woke western lefties support them.


they always look angry and emotionally unstable, wailing and flailing  about, crying, clenching their fist at the sky

a kindred spirit with the leftie elite  Cheesy
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