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Reply #316 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm
 
blah blah blah

gaza attacked israel and killed 1200 people

when the japanese attacked pearl harbour and killed a far smaller % of the american population, did america say

'well they sank 10 of our ships , so i guess we should sink 10 of theirs and then call the UN to see if we should stop"

nope

they obliterated and newtered imperial japan for all time
they killed it til it was dead and then added a few city wide fire storms and a few nukes for good measure


israel should obliterate gaza
pound it into ashes and then drop another few 1000 tons of ordnance to turn over the dust


unconditional surrender

and piss them  off to some arab state and carry on your whining out of earshot

to stop before gaza is a car park would be to be a 'harry half a job"

no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job
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Reply #317 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 2:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
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no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job


Well, except for Israeli terrorists in the IDF who intentionally target hospitals, pregnant women, and babies.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #318 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 3:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 2:03pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
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no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job


Well, except for Israeli terrorists in the IDF who intentionally target hospitals, pregnant women, and babies.


That's enough fappin', little black dawg.
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #319 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 2:03pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
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no one is more hated then a tradie who doesnt finish a job


Well, except for Israeli terrorists in the IDF who intentionally target hospitals, pregnant women, and babies.




Not at all

Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel
It seems likely that the only way to achieve this noble aim is to completely depopulate the area

Eventually Egypt and the other Arab States will come to their senses and allow the defeated army to be rehabilitated in a tent city in the sinai desert

Tell me the gazans aren't so stupid as to think that Gaza is going to be rebuilt and they are going to move back into shiny new apartments
Tell me they aren't really that simple
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Reply #320 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:38pm
 
They are that simple. Like gweggy turd is a simple, rape fantasist turd -fer-brains.

The Pallos are similarly Jew murdering, Jew raping fantasists. They think because the Muslim fifth column in the West is marching for them Israel is going to forgive them.
No.
There have been Intifadas be contained in the past but this is different. Israelis are not American pwogwessives, or German guilt strippers or French Vicky Pollards.

For Israel it is real, it is serious - unlike for Western uni students and Muslim parliamentarians and welfare bludgers (I may be repeating myself...).
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Reply #321 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:48pm
 

Jesus, we've got two guys here jerking off over dead babies.

The right are sick MOFOs.

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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #322 - Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:59pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 12:53pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 12:21pm:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.

Winston Churchill
To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.


Churchill didn't forsee Dubai or Doha  (or possibly didn't even see the Erdine Ottoman Selimiye Mosque); even London looks old beside them.


Not if they step out of line and the West is finished with them....and, of course, Israel... they'll be dust if they play up....

Now for the Red Sea, children - the Yemenis have been trying to kill everyone including themselves for decades now...  Remember FLOSY (not your dog, you dork!) - took on the Brits at Mirbat... and lost...
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #323 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 10:14am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #324 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 12:08pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there


because they are stuck in the worlds largest prison Roll Eyes
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #325 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 1:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 10:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS 


indeed frank

the leftie does degrees like gender studies at uni but the superior man reads history.

the cheyenne and the sioux were very wise spiritual people and championed by the left (elizabeth warren with 1.5 % lakota blood claiming she was native american).

the cheyenne and the sioux , if they were fighting in gaza would assume that all men in that area must be killed.

if they arent hamas, they did nothing to stop hamas, so its a scalping for them

women who were attractive could be taken by the young warriors as wives .

old women, old men and infants were disposed of.

young children could be adopted and raised to have tribal values.

certainly, i can see no argument for any male in gaza to not be assumed to be the enemy.

either he is hamas or he did nothing to stop hamas, so he can be assumed to be an enemy of israel

the kiddies and women can be shipped off to a nearby arab nation for re education

the saudis and the dubai residents need gardeners and cleaners

and gaza can become a national park


one things for sure

gazans will not be living in gaza next year

the israelis have to wreck the joint so it is unliveable (they are getting close)

then people will be incentivised to leave

they can go stay at tedros house if the egyptians wont have them
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Re: Israel did not win the war on Gaza
Reply #326 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 1:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 10:14am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 22nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:
Every person in Gaza has to be considered an enemy combatant
Otherwise why are they there
If you are in a war zone and you aren't wearing an Israeli uniform
We can assume you are a hostile
I don't even have a problem with the Israeli army killing the hostages
In world war 2 it was common knowledge that American pow camps we're set up in the rhur region of Germany
The air force had no problem whatsoever in bombing their own men

The gazans declared war on Israel
And Israel needs to destroy Gaza as a matter of duty to their own citizens
Destroy humiliate and ensure that never again will anyone occupying that area attack Israel


It is an illusion to believe that ceasefires invariably, or even usually, save lives. Rather, ever since the newly established UN issued its first demand for a ceasefire on August 1, 1947, calls for ceasefires have become an ­essential part of combatants’ armoury, to be deployed as strategically as any other weapon – not for the purpose of making peace but of better pursuing a war they would otherwise lose.

As Clapham argues in reviewing their role in Africa, Western governments, who regularly seek to impose those agreements, act as if the participants in every conflict “share a common value framework, within which differences are ultimately negotiable”.

Additionally, vocal domestic constituencies and “external human rights monitoring organisations, led by the long-established Amnesty International”, fuel the demands for a ceasefire while aggressively tilting “the balance of moral advantage” from governments to insurgents who pose as victims worthy of being protected.

But as these insurgents’ “willingness to resort to systematic murder on a large scale in order to maintain their own power” shows, they “are fundamentally irreconcilable to any resolution of the conflict through a negotiated settlement”.

Blissfully ignoring that fact, Western governments hold to the “tragically mistaken” assumption that a pause in hostilities “can only have a positive or neutral impact”: “if it succeeds, it does good; if it fails, it does no harm”. The grim reality, however, is that the pauses have repeatedly acted as little more than a way of preventing a definitive military solution, condemning conflict zones to “forever wars” and bloodshed without end.

The ancients would not have been surprised. Diodorus, in one of the earliest compendiums of the laws of war, included the ­precept that a “truce may not be broken”; but precisely because respect for that precept required a degree of civilisation, and the trustworthiness that accompanies it, the Greeks thought there was no point in entering into truces with barbarians, who understood nothing but brute force.

And when Plato suggested, in The Laws, that the rules of warfare should apply equally to Greeks and barbarians, his contention was ridiculed as absurdly naive.

Now, the same Western governments that helped engineer one disastrous ceasefire after the other are placing mounting pressure on Israel to commit to a pause which would allow Hamas to regroup. They have, it seems, forgotten absolutely everything and learned absolutely nothing.

HENRY ERGAS 


Ergas is an orthodox neoclassical/neoliberal economist - who ipso facto will produce 'survival of the fittest'-based  analyses of political realities, which you fall for, hook-line-and sinker. 

Plato is in another class altogether; international law - yet to be realized -  is NOT "naive", it's a measure of civilization. 

You know... homo sapiens on the path to wellbeing and security for all.
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Reply #328 - Dec 23rd, 2023 at 1:54pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 23rd, 2023 at 1:01pm:
the leftie does degrees like gender studies at uni but the superior man reads history.


And the superior man knows the need for international law, in the age of MAD.

Indeed, except for the argument over economics between the US and the USSR in 1946,  humanity would have instituted international law which could be defended via a UNSC without veto, because most of the delegates present at the creation of the UN Charter wanted it.



But aquascoot ain't a 'superior man'...he thinks the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves - owing to a 'poor attitude'......
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