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Reply #45 - May 28^th, 2021 at 12:55pm

Ok so now articulating a problem is stigmatisation.
60% truancy indicates parenting issues.

Here's a partial solution.

Withhold welfare payments for non attendance for students up to year 10 to a level that really hurts.
Also reward full attendance with a bonus.

Maybe this will motivate drunk/drugged parents to send their children to school.

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Reply #46 - May 28^th, 2021 at 12:59pm

"Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen. "

Never stole anything... show me the documentation that proves it was stolen... it was as owned as the local park is owned by some individual... the days you speak of are long gone, and while ever you promote such hostile ideas, you are part of the problem and not of the solution.

Nobody is coming for any land owned by any individual... so - now we've got that settled... why are you even discussing theft of land? Just because you live in a council area doesn't mean you own the lot, as an example...

Did my ancestors own New England because they settled there and traveled across it etc? No - they owned what they owned, nothing more. Sorry 'bout that. Do I own the whole Mid North Coast because I live there and move around it? NO.....

So I take it you're always happy to have ownership over your home by someone else?

As usual you offer zero solutions and only hyperbole and hostility to any view that doesn't coincide with yours.

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Reply #47 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:03pm

Gordon wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:55pm:

Ok so now articulating a problem is stigmatisation.
60% truancy indicates parenting issues.

Here's a partial solution.

Withhold welfare payments for non attendance for students up to year 10 to a level that really hurts.
Also reward full attendance with a bonus.

Maybe this will motivate drunk/drugged parents to send their children to school.

Of course - don't you dare discuss an issue that is a plain as day - that's racist and the immediate defensive posture of the limited thinkers among us.

Still no offers of any solutions to any of those never-ending problems... apart from screeching about 'stolen land' and racism etc ... well - that's not going to change things for the better.

So rather than actually bringing this student body to book over its lack of responsibility to itself and future generations - let's just let them run riot, and 'do things their way'™ without interference.

That's oppression, discrimination, racism and paternalism.... can't have that.

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Reply #48 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:07pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:47pm:

Agnes wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:42pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Mine's bought and paid for.... no way I'm handing it over. YOU??

God you're ridiculous. Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen.

Are they coming from your land then Mothra?? I have not been around for a while as you seem to be the expert here- did you own up at last?

Sorry, that should have been "nobody is coming for your land".

Ah - so it's all right for you to say that I 'came for someone else's land'.. it is 'stolen' after all and I hold it so I'm part of the theft and don't actually own it ... but not for anyone to say they will not give up what they've paid for by legitimate means?

Do you actually think about what you say?

What's your solution then? You can't continue to straddle a barbed wire fence over every issue concerning Aborigines, mothra.

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Reply #49 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:08pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:40pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:38pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:30pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Mine's bought and paid for.... no way I'm handing it over. YOU??

God you're ridiculous. Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen.

is that how you feel about the land you sit on mothra?.

do you send off your rates to the local aboriginal community? just wondering.

I've made my peace with the traditional owners of the land i inhabit, Cods.

Have you?

oh I see....... Grin

No. You really don't.

its a but hard when you do not enlighten me as to how you have done that small thing?????

or are just preening yourself like you tend to do oh I havent forgotten how you have had an audience with an aboriginal Elder

so I do recall you must have some influence ......... yes/NO...

did you get invited to a sorry celebration where you could ask them to forgive your whiteness?....that would have been nice for you...

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Fight Club Reply #50 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???.. sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in.
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Reply #51 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:13pm

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:08pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:40pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:38pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:30pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Mine's bought and paid for.... no way I'm handing it over. YOU??

God you're ridiculous. Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen.

is that how you feel about the land you sit on mothra?.

do you send off your rates to the local aboriginal community? just wondering.

I've made my peace with the traditional owners of the land i inhabit, Cods.

Have you?

oh I see....... Grin

No. You really don't.

its a but hard when you do not enlighten me as to how you have done that small thing?????

or are just preening yourself like you tend to do oh I havent forgotten how you have had an audience with an aboriginal Elder

so I do recall you must have some influence ......... yes/NO...

did you get invited to a sorry celebration where you could ask them to forgive your whiteness?....that would have been nice for you...

"Audience with an Aboriginal Elder"?

As was explained to you back then, i've met more Aboriginal Elders than i;ve had hot breakfasts. They're a dime a dozen. All older Aboriginal people are called Elders. God knows why it impresses you so much. Or should that read induces so much derision from you.

You're so completely ignorant it's not funny.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35601 Gender:	Re: Fight Club Reply #52 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:15pm cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm: if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???.. sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in. You can't be serious.
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Reply #53 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:17pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???..

sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in.

You can't be serious.

I thought that quote from cods was quite reasonable.

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At this stage...

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Reply #54 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:18pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:17pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???..

sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in.

You can't be serious.

I thought that quote from cods was quite reasonable.

I'm not overly surprised.

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Reply #55 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:22pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:59pm:

"Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen. "

Never stole anything... show me the documentation that proves it was stolen... it was as owned as the local park is owned by some individual... the days you speak of are long gone, and while ever you promote such hostile ideas, you are part of the problem and not of the solution.

Nobody is coming for any land owned by any individual... so - now we've got that settled... why are you even discussing theft of land? Just because you live in a council area doesn't mean you own the lot, as an example...

Did my ancestors own New England because they settled there and traveled across it etc? No - they owned what they owned, nothing more. Sorry 'bout that. Do I own the whole Mid North Coast because I live there and move around it? NO.....

So I take it you're always happy to have ownership over your home by someone else?

As usual you offer zero solutions and only hyperbole and hostility to any view that doesn't coincide with yours.

Its not "Their" land anyway.

According to the LAW, they have no true entitlement.

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Aboriginal people were quite happy with their lives as very skilled and successful hunter gatherers.
If 250 years later, politically motivated academics and activists want to engage in world play by calling Aboriginal people farmers, living in settled stone villages of 1000 people, so be it.

It won’t make any difference to the Aboriginal Sovereignty argument - When the British colonised New South Wales in 1788 they legally ‘settled’ here amongst nomadic, native hunter gatherers. It was not a ‘conquest’ or ‘cession’ of settled farmers who had a recognisable social government, as understood by the legal definitions of the time, so no Treaty was required.

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Reply #56 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:25pm

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???..

sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in.

People like Mothra want them all to be employed doing welcome to country ceremonies or dot paintings and she doesn't even want to broach the subject of what causes 60% school truancy.

Her bigotry is actually the worst kind.

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

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Reply #57 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:25pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:17pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???..

sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in.

You can't be serious.

I thought that quote from cods was quite reasonable.

well said unsub mothra doesnt of course but can never quite bring herself to explain WHY...funny that... does she think I really sit here posting away being NOT SERIOUS... must do!

never mind we will never agree so its doesnt bother me... when my kids where growing up as they got older and I thought old enough to share some responsibility I used to offer to meet them half way.. for instance if they were 13 14 yrs old today and wanted a new phone I would maybe offer to pay half...depending if they had a little job or funds of some kind...every day things like for school and maybe a party I didnt mind paying for but excesses didnt come free.....and thats how I am today and with groupds like our chums.. who btw I am very fond of but sriousltI do think we or the govt does enough for them to be accountable.. I havent always thought like that but now I do when they get something that is for aboriginals only I think we deserve something in return...them standing on their own two feet and in this case making sure their children go to school and learn....I dont know why thats too hard do you?..or as in mothras case UNREASONABLE>

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Reply #58 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:26pm

I have no peace to make with the local Aborigines.... what? Were they at war with you out there? Why was that?

What a vague and non-specific comment based on nothing, mothra... "I've made my peace etc"... there was no peace to be made unless someone was acting up... now who would that be?

So now you were enemies but are now just watching the border between you in case of any breach of the peace treaty?

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Reply #59 - May 28^th, 2021 at 1:26pm

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

if aboriginals are never told what they are either doing wrong or need to start doing how will they ever change? how will they ever fit in to and ever changing world???..

sometimes I feel there are a few out their that do not want them to change..or fit in.

Again...

The whites are required to HOLD THEIR HANDS and HELP THEM.

Bullshite.

Its really easy.
Get a job
Work for a living
Get off the grog and drugs
Get educated

Stop being a bludging parasite..

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A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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