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Re: Fight Club
Reply #90 - May 31^st, 2021 at 5:33am

stop it rhino.

i cant fit any more white flags in my house Grin

America's success has long depended on the success of immigrant families. Just this month the Census Bureau reported that one in five Americans were either born in a foreign country or have a parent who was. And some of these immigrant families are soaring as never before: Urban school honor rolls swell with immigrant children; immigrant adults wield unprecedented power in universities, government, and business; immigrants own 40 percent of technology companies in Silicon Valley.

That's the bright side of the story. The dark side is quite shocking: The longer immigrant children live in this country, the worse, on average, their health, their attitude, and their school performance. What's more, with each subsequent generation, immigrant children do worse and worse. On average, first-generation children function at significantly higher levels than do typical American-born children. But, by the third generation, that advantage is gone.

To take just one example, the school performance of first-generation Chinese teenagers—one of the highest performing immigrant groups—markedly exceeds white teens. By the third generation, the difference disappears: English proficiency and school performance are inversely related. In other words, while once upon a time people came to the United States expecting to make better lives for their children, today the sad fact is that the more Americanized immigrant children become, the less successful they are.

The most obvious cause of this slide is that classic villain: children's peer groups. "[H]anging out with ... peers who value socializing over academics," as Temple University's Laurence Steinberg puts it in his 1996 book Beyond the Classroom, causes immigrant children over time to "resemble the typical American teenager, and part of this package of traits is, unfortunately, academic indifference, or even disengagement." Peer influences, Steinberg and others argue, also drive immigrant teens to crime, drug abuse, and depression. With each subsequent generation, this argument goes, immigrant children spend less time with other immigrant children and more time with Americanized ones and, therefore, feel negative peer influences more and more strongly.

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Reply #91 - May 31^st, 2021 at 1:27pm

Interesting - yes, I recall local doctors down south whose parents arrived here as refos and worked on the Snowy Scheme .. their kids were imbued with the need to work hard at study etc and get ahead instead of being peasants.

Like America, this can be a land of opportunity, but it's not always universally and evenly widespread. Certain groups do descend into organised crime... but don't you dare say that.... the PC police will get you.

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Reply #92 - May 31^st, 2021 at 1:37pm

Anyway - I'd still like some answers to my long-running questions:-

What exactly are these disadvantages that Aborigines suffer these days?

Why do they persist in dragging behind in education and advancing themselves?

What 'rights' do they - and other Usual Suspect groups - not have in this country at this time?

What further representation via some 'voice' is required for them and why, when nobody else has a group-specific voice?

What are some real solutions to their clear problems with violence, abuse, neglect of children, and so forth?

Why are they 'over-represented'* in prison, and what are some valid proposals to keep them out (other than enforcing peace and honesty in and between them o simply not enforcing the law when it comes to them)?

Why do they persist in their group problems and refuse and fight against any 'intervention'?

When will they actually articulate what they mean by 'their land' and what it is they are demanding, and all the other guff?

* It could be argued successfully that since prisons are only containers for those guilty of some offence, they are by no mean 'over-represented' at all, given that they are within that group of persons found guilty of an offence. Note that being found guilty is not necessarily proof of actual offending in our courts... but that is not an Abo-exclusive issue.

Another issue. The way our lower courts, and those vested with reviewing their evil work, run rampant over the Rule of Law is an absolute disgrace worthy of a petty third world dictatorship or a despotic convict colony.

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #93 - May 31^st, 2021 at 2:17pm

aquascoot wrote on May 31^st, 2021 at 5:33am:

stop it rhino.

i cant fit any more white flags in my house Grin

America's success has long depended on the success of immigrant families. Just this month the Census Bureau reported that one in five Americans were either born in a foreign country or have a parent who was. And some of these immigrant families are soaring as never before: Urban school honor rolls swell with immigrant children; immigrant adults wield unprecedented power in universities, government, and business; immigrants own 40 percent of technology companies in Silicon Valley.

That's the bright side of the story. The dark side is quite shocking: The longer immigrant children live in this country, the worse, on average, their health, their attitude, and their school performance. What's more, with each subsequent generation, immigrant children do worse and worse. On average, first-generation children function at significantly higher levels than do typical American-born children. But, by the third generation, that advantage is gone.

To take just one example, the school performance of first-generation Chinese teenagers—one of the highest performing immigrant groups—markedly exceeds white teens. By the third generation, the difference disappears: English proficiency and school performance are inversely related. In other words, while once upon a time people came to the United States expecting to make better lives for their children, today the sad fact is that the more Americanized immigrant children become, the less successful they are.

The most obvious cause of this slide is that classic villain: children's peer groups. "[H]anging out with ... peers who value socializing over academics," as Temple University's Laurence Steinberg puts it in his 1996 book Beyond the Classroom, causes immigrant children over time to "resemble the typical American teenager, and part of this package of traits is, unfortunately, academic indifference, or even disengagement." Peer influences, Steinberg and others argue, also drive immigrant teens to crime, drug abuse, and depression. With each subsequent generation, this argument goes, immigrant children spend less time with other immigrant children and more time with Americanized ones and, therefore, feel negative peer influences more and more strongly.

No statistics here. Statements of claim,= irrelevant. Do you not know what statistics are? So are your claims lies or just you not knowing anything?

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #94 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:48pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 9:40am:

Gnads wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 9:38am:

Suspensions? Grin

The truancy rate is that high in Walgett it won't be any sort of punishment at all.

They'll be laughing.

Send Mothballs out to see if she can solve the problems "that don't exist". Roll Eyes

Oh get your hand off it. I've never even hinted at these problems not existing.

I'll tell you one thing that doesn't work. Sad, pathetic old men whinging about "them" on obscure and dying internet forums.

So what are you doing about it?

You know since pathetic old men shouldn't whinge about it on a public discussion forum?

Oh that's right you just want it kept under the carpet or radar ....

seeings tax payers don't have a right to speak on issues regarding where there money is spent or on social issues related to the safety of the general public i.e. juvenile law & order...

and the problem in remote indigenous communities.

Pull your sanctimonious head in.

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #95 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:54pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:26am:

For me even to begin to discuss solutions with you, Grap, you'd have to educate yourself significantly. Your evidenced understanding of the plight of minorities is wanting. For constructive dialogue, parties need to start from a position of open mindedness and good intention. You, and most of this forum, lack these attributes.

Furthermore, i've put forward so many words on this and surrounding problems over the years, all to be lost amongst the bigoted, small minds that patronise this pathetic dying little forum that i've simply given up doing much aside from pointing out your obvious stupidity when the mood takes me.

You'll find no answers here, Grappler. But then again, you're not really looking for any. You're only looking for validation for your own victimhood.

In other words sit down to a verbal wank fest.

Nice to see you at your usual of fluffing your own feathers & denigrating other peoples education levels.

Don't bother popping in when the mood suits you if that's all you're about.

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #96 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:58pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:26am:

For me even to begin to discuss solutions with you, Grap, you'd have to educate yourself significantly. Your evidenced understanding of the plight of minorities is wanting. For constructive dialogue, parties need to start from a position of open mindedness and good intention. You, and most of this forum, lack these attributes.

Furthermore, i've put forward so many words on this and surrounding problems over the years, all to be lost amongst the bigoted, small minds that patronise this pathetic dying little forum that i've simply given up doing much aside from pointing out your obvious stupidity when the mood takes me.

You'll find no answers here, Grappler. But then again, you're not really looking for any. You're only looking for validation for your own victimhood.

In other words sit down to a verbal wank fest.

Nice to see you at your usual of fluffing your own feathers & denigrating other peoples education levels.

Don't bother popping in when the mood suits you if that's all you're about.

Gnads is not competent at verbal wank fests.

His competence lies in the manual variety where his loose lips don't sink his ship.

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #97 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:59pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:53am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:47am:

Gordon wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:34am:

60% of children not attending school.

The parents are probably too drunk/drugged to know or care.

gordon stop doing that .. you dont have to be drunk to have your kids skip school....it might happen to you one day...... they need to have consequences when they skipout on school maybe these kids need a tour of the places the homeless uneducated end up no good whining about it later in life..... why not use these aboriginal famous faces to talk to these schools about the importance of education....Come on Anthony Mundine a good talking too by someone they look up too might help these kids to stop sabotaging their lives...

Maybe some of those whining footballers on $600k a Year

(White Man Money - always was, always will be!)

could get out there and talk SENSE to them instead of ranting about 'their land' all the time.

Never going to play the White Man's Game there, though - only the one that returns the big bucks.

Maybe if idiots like you stopped talking about "white man's money", children with a different skin colour wouldn't feel like they are begging for scraps in somebody else's world.

Yeah OK ... how about when the "Always was Always will be" poo stops ey?

Their land? White money.

Is that why aboriginal activists make statements about non indigenous having to pay the rent?

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Reply #98 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 1:05pm

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:30pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Mine's bought and paid for.... no way I'm handing it over. YOU??

God you're ridiculous. Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen.

is that how you feel about the land you sit on mothra?.

do you send off your rates to the local aboriginal community? just wondering.

I've made my peace with the traditional owners of the land i inhabit, Cods.

Have you?

How'd you do that?

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #99 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 1:13pm

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 4:27pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 4:20pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 4:03pm:

I feel more would be achieved if we stayed on topic rather than beat each other up which goes nowhere..

these kids need mentoring we have seen by the likes of Father Riley what can be done with the right people and these kids to my mind are crying out for guidance these kids are not at fault of their parenting or the fact that teachers give up not everyone is cut out for dealing with that sort of thing day in day out....and parents are no different half of them never went to school I bet!

some mentoring would indeed help.

they could be sent to be trained as aboriginal stockmen on large cattle stations.
this was where many young aboriginal boys got a break by being in the company of strong powerful inspirational tough men.
this made thse boys strong powerful inspirational men.

if they stay in a school system whre the teachers are all off on compo being sooks and their parents are bitter and angry and they are pandered to by leftie social workers who encourage victim hood, they are doomed.

their best bet is to get into the company of winners. (we become like the poeple we hang out with)

and that means staying the hell away from drunk parents, anxious teachers and weak pandering SJW's

didnt Twiggy Forrest do something like that he does a lot for aboriginals we dont hear much on that though do we?

He does more for Twiggy Forrest than anyone else.

He is a king of tokenism.

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Reply #100 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 1:14pm

BigP wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 5:38pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 9:40am:

Gnads wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 9:38am:

Suspensions? Grin

The truancy rate is that high in Walgett it won't be any sort of punishment at all.

They'll be laughing.

Send Mothballs out to see if she can solve the problems "that don't exist". Roll Eyes

Oh get your hand off it. I've never even hinted at these problems not existing.

I'll tell you one thing that doesn't work. Sad, pathetic old men whinging about "them" on obscure and dying internet forums.

LOL you have a point there

What are you doing here then?

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Re: Fight Club
Reply #101 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 1:19pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 12:54pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 11:26am:

For me even to begin to discuss solutions with you, Grap, you'd have to educate yourself significantly. Your evidenced understanding of the plight of minorities is wanting. For constructive dialogue, parties need to start from a position of open mindedness and good intention. You, and most of this forum, lack these attributes.

Furthermore, i've put forward so many words on this and surrounding problems over the years, all to be lost amongst the bigoted, small minds that patronise this pathetic dying little forum that i've simply given up doing much aside from pointing out your obvious stupidity when the mood takes me.

You'll find no answers here, Grappler. But then again, you're not really looking for any. You're only looking for validation for your own victimhood.

In other words sit down to a verbal wank fest.

Nice to see you at your usual of fluffing your own feathers & denigrating other peoples education levels.

Don't bother popping in when the mood suits you if that's all you're about.

Gnads is not competent at verbal wank fests.

His competence lies in the manual variety where his loose lips don't sink his ship.

Take a number Tosser.

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Reply #102 - Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 1:25pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2021 at 1:05pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:30pm:

mothra wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 28^th, 2021 at 12:15pm:

Mine's bought and paid for.... no way I'm handing it over. YOU??

God you're ridiculous. Nobody is coming from your land ... even though it was stolen.

is that how you feel about the land you sit on mothra?.

do you send off your rates to the local aboriginal community? just wondering.

I've made my peace with the traditional owners of the land i inhabit, Cods.

Have you?

How'd you do that?

I ask again - why did you have to make peace? Who was causing a ruckus? YOU?

Thought so ................... Grin

I have no need to make any peace with anyone over the land I inhabit... never did anything to anyone in obtaining it... sorry 'bout that.

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