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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20810 Gordon Gender:	Ivermectin Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:34pm Very interesting, in fact a must listen. https://podbay.fm/p/bret-weinstein-or-darkhorse-podcast/e/1622588400
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Ivermectin Reply #1 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:39pm In the sense that you sort of wonder how a evolutionary biologist goes down this path of oddness. Then yes interesting. But it some of comes back to the poiint that very smart people are exceptionally good at rationalising dumb decisions.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Ivermectin Reply #2 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:40pm https://michaelshermer.com/sciam-columns/smart-people-believe-weird-things/
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20810 Gordon Gender:	Re: Ivermectin Reply #3 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm Oh, you won't even listen to it. What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb? And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?
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Reply #4 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

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Reply #5 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

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Reply #6 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:00pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

Wll do, in the meantime, vaccinate away. You won't need ivermectin then.

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Reply #7 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:06pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

Wll do, in the meantime, vaccinate away. You won't need ivermectin then.

Got first jab today.

His guest is cited in Wikipedia for the advocacy of unproven treatments of COVID-19

Can you guess what that treatment is?

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Reply #8 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:09pm

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar_url?url=https://journals.library.ualberta.c...

Heres a good metanalysis of ivermectin COVID-19. Basically the authors found

The pooled estimate suggested a statistically significant reduction in all-cause mortality when ivermectin was added to usual therapy with OR of 0.53 (P= 0.04).

But the issue here was weak evidence and publication bias

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Reply #9 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:09pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

Wll do, in the meantime, vaccinate away. You won't need ivermectin then.

Got first jab today.

His guest is cited in Wikipedia for the advocacy of unproven treatments of COVID-19

Can you guess what that treatment is?

Urine?

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Reply #10 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:11pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

Wll do, in the meantime, vaccinate away. You won't need ivermectin then.

Got first jab today.

His guest is cited in Wikipedia for the advocacy of unproven treatments of COVID-19

Can you guess what that treatment is?

Urine?

corticosteroids

pretty far out?

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Reply #11 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:18pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:11pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

Wll do, in the meantime, vaccinate away. You won't need ivermectin then.

Got first jab today.

His guest is cited in Wikipedia for the advocacy of unproven treatments of COVID-19

Can you guess what that treatment is?

Urine?

corticosteroids

pretty far out?

Not really. Its been stated for severe COVID presumably to keep the airway inflammation down and thus reduce the need for mechanical ventilation.

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Reply #12 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:38pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:18pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:11pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 3:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:59pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 2:47pm:

Oh, you won't even listen to it.

What has BW ever said he believes which you'd consider dumb?

And did you check out the quals of his guest, Pierre Kory?

No I havent listened to it yet, but this seems to be one of those contrarian things where people don't accept the current status and then look for all sorts of ways to oppose it.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389 For instance in this RCT they find in mild COVID ivermectin had no effect. My thing with the ivermectin is that if it was so effective, we'd be getting a lot of trials with strong evidence that it works not just for mild but severe COVID. THat doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree that maybe there needs to be bigger trials, but we shouldnt prescribe it.

List to the podcast.

Wll do, in the meantime, vaccinate away. You won't need ivermectin then.

Got first jab today.

His guest is cited in Wikipedia for the advocacy of unproven treatments of COVID-19

Can you guess what that treatment is?

Urine?

corticosteroids

pretty far out?

Not really. Its been stated for severe COVID presumably to keep the airway inflammation down and thus reduce the need for mechanical ventilation.

So his wiki entry makes him sound like a whackjob who advocated using something like bleach while he was merely ahead of the pack recommending corticosteroids.

He has a lot to say on the politics of Covid and how front line
clinicians are being reduced to technicians. Very interesting.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Ivermectin Reply #13 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 7:39pm Talking about Ivermectin doesnt help.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20810 Gordon Gender:	Re: Ivermectin Reply #14 - Jun 3^rd, 2021 at 8:42pm If you want to buy some without a script https://www.theanimalpharmacy.com.au/dog-pharmacy/valuheart-heartworm-tablets-fo...
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