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Question: Is bwyannnnnnnnnn ever going to accept the truth
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Not a chance, too invested    
  4 (57.1%)
Not likely, he will never accept truth    
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Unlikely, too pig headed to back down    
  2 (28.6%)
Only if he has a hint of honesty in him    
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Of course he will, he da man, tut tut    
  1 (14.3%)




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Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:55am
 
It was only a matter of time


In page after page, Sutton and Walshe accuse Pascoe of a “lack of true scholarship”, ignoring Aboriginal voices, dragging respect for traditional Aboriginal culture back into the Eurocentric world of the colonial era, and “trimming” colonial observations to fit his argument. They write that while Dark Emu “purports to be factual” it is “littered with unsourced material, is poorly researched, distorts and exaggerates many points, selectively emphasises evidence to suit those opinions, and ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions”.

“It is actually not, properly considered, a work of scholarship,” they write. “Its success as a narrative has been achieved in spite of its failure as an account of fact.”

The Sutton/Walshe book is not the first criticism of Dark Emu. Australian National University anthropologist Ian Keen has said that Pascoe’s evidence for Aboriginal farming is “deeply problematic”, although he also believes that some of the criticism has been used to support a racist agenda. Christophe Darmangeat, a lecturer in social anthropology at the Sorbonne in France, wrote that in Dark Emu Pascoe mixes “perfectly proven elements, others possible but more doubtful, others very improbable, and finally frank fabrications, firing on all cylinders by handling concepts and facts with a disarming casualness”. Quadrant published a polemical book, Bitter Harvest, against Pascoe’s claims. But Sutton and Walshe’s Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? is the most forensic and best credentialled examination and repudiation of Dark Emu.


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Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 9:17am
 
As I have stated and proven, this book of lies is nothing but a means to secure a comfortable lifestyle by a conniving, lying fraud.

He should be sent back to England for overstaying his visa.
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I always find it interesting how Gordon only ever quotes stuff that supports his Racist views of Indigenous Australians/Asians/Muslims/etc.  Never the full story.  Is it because he fears that it might actually demolish what he is claiming?

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Early in their book, Sutton and Walshe acknowledge that Dark Emu has made some positive contribution, including engendering interest in traditional ways of life; building awareness that conquest, slaughter and land theft was underpinned by an assumption of racial superiority; and drawing attention to earlier works that showed how Aboriginal people managed the land and its resources with fire and conservation. They see no harm in Pascoe criticising false beliefs, “perhaps held by some”, that all Aboriginal people were naked all of the time and that classical Aboriginal society consisted of a constantly nomadic people who simply lived off nature’s bounty, were not ecological agents, did not stay in one place for more than a few days and did not store resources.

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Admirers of Dark Emu invariably refer to Pascoe’s persuasive use of the journals of explorers such as Thomas Mitchell and Charles Sturt. Sutton is less enamoured of them, questioning both the reliability of journals written by Europeans who encountered Aboriginal people only transiently and who were “the forward scouts for the army of land-hungry farmers who would come in their wake”, and Pascoe’s sharp editing of them. Where Pascoe quotes explorer Thomas Mitchell discovering grass that had been pulled and piled into “hay-ricks” that stretched for miles, for example, Pascoe suggests that Aboriginal people were practising an idyllic agriculture. But he leaves out Mitchell’s puzzlement about the purpose of these “ricks” and Mitchell’s later writing that all attempts to persuade Aboriginal people to till the ground had failed.

Pascoe records Mitchell’s astonishment on coming upon a large, deserted village during his Australia Felix expedition, which he estimated housed “over 1000” people. This, says Sutton, is “pure fiction”. “All Mitchell says is that his party ‘noticed some of their huts’; there is no mention of anyone counting anything.” Pascoe then quotes a member of Mitchell’s party, Granville Stapylton, as saying that the buildings “were of very large dimensions, one capable of containing at least 40 persons and of very superior construction”. But he omits Stapylton’s speculation that this was “the work of a white man”, probably the runaway convict William Buckley, who lived with the Wathaurong people for three decades.

Elsewhere, Pascoe cites Charles Sturt’s discovery of a large well and village somewhere north of Lake Torrens in South Australia, but neglects to say that Sturt saw no signs of recent occupation. When Sturt finds grass set out to dry and ripen, Pascoe guesses this was because of surplus grain, which suggested “sedentary agriculture”. Sutton ridicules the idea. “The suggestion, if that is what Pascoe intends, that anyone could practise ‘sedentary agriculture’ in that blasted desert environment is simply ill-informed,” he writes.

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:33pm
 
Even if PASCO had an honesty moment and admitted his lies

Bwyannnnnnn would still hold fast to the lies.

Methinks bwyannnnnn may be part abbo.
Another white abbo
This would explain quite a bit.
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Reply #5 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:12pm:
I always find it interesting how Gordon only ever quotes stuff that supports his Racist views of Indigenous Australians/Asians/Muslims/etc.  Never the full story.  Is it because he fears that it might actually demolish what he is claiming?

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I find it tedious that Bbwian always accuses others of what he himself is doing - this time, like Pascoe, he is quoting very selectively, ignoring the pertinent in favour of the peripheral. The description of what Pascoe did in Dark Emu is a fitting description also of what Bbwian does here.  How many times did Bbwian respond with the same mindless accusation of racism in response to various posts pointing out what the authors of this new book now also demonstrate. And Bbwian's response remains the same, mindless puffery about racism and even Islamophobia.
He says of Gordin, 'never the full story' , but with Bbwian the identical, empty and repetitious, yawning, eyerolling tut-tutting posts by the dozen ARE the full story. 




It is into this fraught arena that Sutton and his co-author, archaeologist Keryn Walshe, now step with Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? The Dark Emu Debate. And their rebuttal of Dark Emu, published next week by Melbourne University Press, is damning. In page after page, Sutton and Walshe accuse Pascoe of a “lack of true scholarship”, ignoring Aboriginal voices, dragging respect for traditional Aboriginal culture back into the Eurocentric world of the colonial era, and “trimming” colonial observations to fit his argument. They write that while Dark Emu “purports to be factual” it is “littered with unsourced material, is poorly researched, distorts and exaggerates many points, selectively emphasises evidence to suit those opinions, and ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions”.

“It is actually not, properly considered, a work of scholarship,” they write. “Its success as a narrative has been achieved in spite of its failure as an account of fact.”



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The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?
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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.

**cue mothra for some real fun** ..... it's the water, innit?  Must be....

Why, BTW, did dear mothra have to make peace with her neighbours?  Must be a feisty and selfish old bitch.. either that or her neighbours are a demanding lot with a swag of whining to do and nothing else...  most of us get on just fine with our neighbours... Black, White, Brindle, Sallow or anything else.... though sometimes those neighbours don't want to behave ...

Just Who Is The Source Of This War That mothra Is/Was Engaged In, That Required A Peace Settlement?  If not mothra - then who????
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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why deny your undemocratic rigidity?

The thread is about a book repudiating another book, dickhead
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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:12pm
 
Actually the most racist thing (until this book) is the lack of academic critic of the work. It got a pass for casting Abos in a better light (falsely).

A bit like when a retard says 1+1=banana and everyone claps and says, you're so special
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Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why deny your undemocratic rigidity?

The thread is about a book repudiating another book, dickhead


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You don't even understand the terms you're spouting.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:12pm:
Actually the most racist thing (until this book) is the lack of academic critic of the work. It got a pass for casting Abos in a better light (falsely).

A bit like when a retard says 1+1=banana and everyone claps and says, you're so special


So?

Should we be reading bwyannnnnnn stupidity and clapping and telling him how special he is???
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Reply #13 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:17pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
The truth don't give a damn what colour your paint job is or what religious belief you hold...

It isn't racist to point out contrary views... is Pascoe a racist for espousing views different from others?  Why the double standard?


Why deny your Racism, Graps?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


My point proven, Brian - you ideologues can't even accept a neutral stance such as asking if Pascoe is equally a racist for posing a different point of view.  Your intolerance is breathtaking.


I am very tolerant.  You are the intolerant one.  Where is your refutation of Pascoe's quoting the early explorers/settlers?  MIA it appears.  Instead you rely upon personal ad hominem attacks.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:22pm
 
Hmmmmmmm.

That would be in the thread I posted where several highly qualified and experienced academics and archaeologists.
Stated outright that pascoe was a liar.

You remember the thread.
The one that you refused to respond to with anything but some ad homen statement about racists etc.

Pascoe is an unmitigated liar.

Nothing he has stated has ever been proven as fact.

Its all just like his aboriginal heritage....fabrication.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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