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Reply #165 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:34am
 
Aboriginal people were primarily hunter/gatherers. But does that mean they didn’t engage in some form of agriculture?

Did they have permanent houses? Yes and no.

As professor Sutton said “ Some of the houses were actually kept going from season to season but they weren’t lived in for the whole year round generally, There was some housing in the western district of Victoria and a few other places where people stayed for maybe a year or more, now that’s at the extreme end. The usual pattern is that people set up housing that was as complex only as it needed to be for the season, so in the hot weather you set up shades or sleep under the stars. Where it’s windy, they would make a windbreak, they wouldn’t make a great big house two metres high.”

In regards to agriculture, a study published in the journal Antiquity, has found over 140 quarry sites, where rock was excavated to produce seed grinding stones in Mithaka country in Queensland.

Grinding stones were used to process native grasses and produce a form of bread. Axes scattered across the area also indicate trade with the Kalkadoon people from the Mount Isa quarries in the north.

When Europeans first stumbled across this landscape in the 1870s, they observed "civilized blacks" living in villages and maintaining intensive fishing industries. In 1871, for example, a sub inspector of the Queensland Native Police, James Gilmour, came across a "village" of 103 huts at the southern end of Thunderpurty lagoon while looking for evidence of the missing explorer Ludwig Leichardt.

Did every Aboriginal language group practice agriculture? No they did not. However it is not outside the realm of possibility that an Aboriginal group, who happened to be in the right place, could start to lay down the foundation of a civilisation.
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Reply #166 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:40am
 
Raven wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:34am:
Aboriginal people were primarily hunter/gatherers. But does that mean they didn’t engage in some form of agriculture?

Did they have permanent houses? Yes and no.

As professor Sutton said “ Some of the houses were actually kept going from season to season but they weren’t lived in for the whole year round generally, There was some housing in the western district of Victoria and a few other places where people stayed for maybe a year or more, now that’s at the extreme end. The usual pattern is that people set up housing that was as complex only as it needed to be for the season, so in the hot weather you set up shades or sleep under the stars. Where it’s windy, they would make a windbreak, they wouldn’t make a great big house two metres high.”

In regards to agriculture, a study published in the journal Antiquity, has found over 140 quarry sites, where rock was excavated to produce seed grinding stones in Mithaka country in Queensland.

Grinding stones were used to process native grasses and produce a form of bread. Axes scattered across the area also indicate trade with the Kalkadoon people from the Mount Isa quarries in the north.

When Europeans first stumbled across this landscape in the 1870s, they observed "civilized blacks" living in villages and maintaining intensive fishing industries. In 1871, for example, a sub inspector of the Queensland Native Police, James Gilmour, came across a "village" of 103 huts at the southern end of Thunderpurty lagoon while looking for evidence of the missing explorer Ludwig Leichardt.

Did every Aboriginal language group practice agriculture? No they did not. However it is not outside the realm of possibility that an Aboriginal group, who happened to be in the right place, could start to lay down the foundation of a civilisation.


Of course.  So why can people not just leave it at that?  This nonsense has gone on far too long and for no solid reason.

People developed a relatively stable group where food was plentiful, and they could use simple methods to procure it, such as fishing and traps.  So what?  Yes - they dug up stones to use as grinders for native seed.  So what?  Every other undeveloped culture on earth did the same things, but that does not create of it an overnight civilisation.

Pascoe developed one very single-minded vision from his sources - he was wrong.  End of story.

Now withdraw the book as a text and give a balanced view of what actually would be the case.

Talk about a storm in a teacup, and endless MORE trouble for future generations here.
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Reply #167 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 1:03am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:40am:
Raven wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:34am:
Aboriginal people were primarily hunter/gatherers. But does that mean they didn’t engage in some form of agriculture?

Did they have permanent houses? Yes and no.

As professor Sutton said “ Some of the houses were actually kept going from season to season but they weren’t lived in for the whole year round generally, There was some housing in the western district of Victoria and a few other places where people stayed for maybe a year or more, now that’s at the extreme end. The usual pattern is that people set up housing that was as complex only as it needed to be for the season, so in the hot weather you set up shades or sleep under the stars. Where it’s windy, they would make a windbreak, they wouldn’t make a great big house two metres high.”

In regards to agriculture, a study published in the journal Antiquity, has found over 140 quarry sites, where rock was excavated to produce seed grinding stones in Mithaka country in Queensland.

Grinding stones were used to process native grasses and produce a form of bread. Axes scattered across the area also indicate trade with the Kalkadoon people from the Mount Isa quarries in the north.

When Europeans first stumbled across this landscape in the 1870s, they observed "civilized blacks" living in villages and maintaining intensive fishing industries. In 1871, for example, a sub inspector of the Queensland Native Police, James Gilmour, came across a "village" of 103 huts at the southern end of Thunderpurty lagoon while looking for evidence of the missing explorer Ludwig Leichardt.

Did every Aboriginal language group practice agriculture? No they did not. However it is not outside the realm of possibility that an Aboriginal group, who happened to be in the right place, could start to lay down the foundation of a civilisation.


Of course.  So why can people not just leave it at that?  This nonsense has gone on far too long and for no solid reason.

People developed a relatively stable group where food was plentiful, and they could use simple methods to procure it, such as fishing and traps.  So what?  Yes - they dug up stones to use as grinders for native seed.  So what?  Every other undeveloped culture on earth did the same things, but that does not create of it an overnight civilisation.

Pascoe developed one very single-minded vision from his sources - he was wrong.  End of story.

Now withdraw the book as a text and give a balanced view of what actually would be the case.

Talk about a storm in a teacup, and endless MORE trouble for future generations here.


They did. You kept going on about it, remember?
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Reply #168 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 1:55am
 
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Just take a seat on the bench, sir........... we'll get to you soon....
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Reply #170 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 9:02am
 
More evidence that dark emu and the ABC are under scrutiny.

Bwyannnnnnn is looking like he will have to apologise for pushing lies.    What do you recon the chances are?

Pascoes awards MUST be revoked and he MUST be exiled from Australia.

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New book tears apart the claims of Dark Emu and proves ABC deserves real scrutiny

Piers Akerman


Bruce Pascoe.

Seven years after self-proclaimed Aboriginal and self-anointed historian Bruce Pascoe published his best-selling book Dark Emu the work has been utterly demolished by two outstanding academics.


Peter Sutton, the principal author of the latest work to demolish Pascoe’s humbug, Farmers Or Hunter-Gatherers? The Dark Emu Debate (Melbourne University Press) is a most respected anthropologist and co-author Keryn Walshe, who wrote the final two of the book’s 13 chapters, is just as acclaimed in her area of field archaeology.

The authors smash Pascoe’s claims that Aboriginals were farmers and also challenge other points he made from his misuse of the term “fire stick farming” to describe horticulture to whether the Mabo lands right decision should stand.


Why it took seven years for credentialled academics to put Pascoe’s fables under the microscope needs further exploration but the manner in which the taxpayer-funded ABC swallowed his nonsense and spent thousands promoting his work and pushing to have falsehoods embedded in the nation’s curricula is even more deserving of scrutiny by both federal education minister Alan Tudge and communications minister Paul Fletcher.

ABC Head of Education, Annabel Astbury, endorsed Pascoe’s nonsense recently saying: “We are so fortunate to have had the opportunity to interview Bruce Pascoe on Country, helping us understand the physical and written evidence of a people who, for thousands of years, had an organised, innovative and considered use of land that supported bountiful cultural economies …This collection is not just a resource for school students, it is a resource for all Australians.”

It’s unclear exactly what is Astbury’s expertise to pronounce on Pascoe’s bald claims and if she asked anyone with any actual knowledge for input.

As Sutton bluntly wrote “Pascoe’s book purports to be factual …
however it is poorly researched. It distorts and exaggerates many old sources. It selects evidence to suit the author’s opinions, and it ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions. It contains a large number of factual errors, a range of which we analyse here. Others we could not include for want of space.”


Bruce Chatwin’s acclaimed but inaccurate Songlines and Bill Gammage’s popular but flawed The Biggest Estate, How Aboriginals Made Australia, which Pascoe leant on in his book, are also criticised.

This is not the first time Pascoe’s work has been eviscerated. Two years ago, Peter O’Brien exposed the author in his critically excellent work Bitter Harvest: The Illusion of Aboriginal Agriculture in Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu (Quadrant Books), but as a retired military officer, he was not deemed sufficiently learned by the ABC to be taken seriously. Now, supported by Sutton and Walshe, he must be.


Pascoe’s denigration of the Old People’s way of life as “mere” hunters and gatherers, earns him Sutton’s thinly disguised contempt though the academic does acknowledge that the Dark Emu controversy may at least have triggered a debate.

This is a debate that the politically correct do not wish to have however.

Sutton and Walshe’s publishers, MUP, would not provide me with a review copy of their book and declined to make the authors available for an interview.

This seems a strange way to assist in publicising a book which I firmly believe should be included in every school reading list even as Pascoe’s works are removed or at the very least, marked fiction in capital letters.

As Sutton told me last year, he didn’t want his work to be written about by conservatives because he thought attention from the (handful) of conservatives privileged to put our views before the public might damage his reputation.

So much for wishing to encourage enlightened debate.

Pascoe has received a plethora of awards, including two NSW Premier’s Literary Awards (Book of the Year and the Indigenous Writers’ Prize 2016) and was short-listed for two other prizes, the History Book Award in the Queensland Literary Awards (2014) and the Victorian Premier’s Award for Indigenous Writing (2014).

An attack on Pascoe’s credibility is not an attack on Aboriginals but he has become a sacred cow and nowhere more so than at the other big sacred cow, the ABC.   

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Reply #171 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 11:53am
 
Matty won't leave it at that, Grappler. Now he's quoting Piers Ackerman and trying to get Bruce Pascoe exiled.

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Reply #172 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm
 
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.

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Reply #173 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 1:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 11:53am:
Matty won't leave it at that, Grappler. Now he's quoting Piers Ackerman and trying to get Bruce Pascoe exiled.

You?


Banish all criminals to the colonies..................... Reverse Boat People Policy - those found wanting in moral fibre are to be shipped out on the first available people smuggler boat on its return to hell on earth.

Goodbye Paradise... saves on bullets for Usual Suspects strolling the streets...
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Reply #174 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:08pm
 
I love this line

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  This is not the first time Pascoe’s work has been eviscerated.   
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Reply #175 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:33pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.



He's inflaming culture wars again, Grappler.

Didn't you say you just wanted a nice rest?

Shurely shome mishtake, no?
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Reply #176 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:32pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:33pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.



He's inflaming culture wars again, Grappler.

Didn't you say you just wanted a nice rest?

Shurely shome mishtake, no?


Nah - the persistence of Pascoe's "works" is inflaming culture wars and inciting fools to take up the cudgels for people who would bash them in an instant if they were to "feel" unrespected in any way.

So much foolishness has been implanted in the minds of the foetal alcohol and drug generations that they will never be able to see the reality for the bullshit.

Niqqer - heal thyself!!
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Reply #177 - Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:39pm
 
STILL LOVE THIS STATEMENT

Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
I love this line

[quote]  This is not the first time Pascoe’s work has been eviscerated.    

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Reply #178 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:09am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:33pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.



He's inflaming culture wars again, Grappler.

Didn't you say you just wanted a nice rest?

Shurely shome mishtake, no?


Nah - the persistence of Pascoe's "works" is inflaming culture wars and inciting fools to take up the cudgels for people who would bash them in an instant if they were to "feel" unrespected in any way.

So much foolishness has been implanted in the minds of the foetal alcohol and drug generations that they will never be able to see the reality for the bullshit.

Niqqer - heal thyself!!


You demand it be banned and eviscerated, no?

How brave of you both.

Yes, dear. You, and Matty.
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Reply #179 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:13am
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:09am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:33pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.



He's inflaming culture wars again, Grappler.

Didn't you say you just wanted a nice rest?

Shurely shome mishtake, no?


Nah - the persistence of Pascoe's "works" is inflaming culture wars and inciting fools to take up the cudgels for people who would bash them in an instant if they were to "feel" unrespected in any way.

So much foolishness has been implanted in the minds of the foetal alcohol and drug generations that they will never be able to see the reality for the bullshit.

Niqqer - heal thyself!!


You demand it be banned and eviscerated, no?

How brave of you both.

Yes, dear. You, and Matty.



You are an extremist and need watching closely.

I said that Pascoe's work should be put in the position it deserves - just one person's view and flawed at that, and proven to be poorly researched and based.

Something wrong with you, boy?
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