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Question: Is bwyannnnnnnnnn ever going to accept the truth
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Not a chance, too invested    
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Not likely, he will never accept truth    
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Unlikely, too pig headed to back down    
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Only if he has a hint of honesty in him    
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Of course he will, he da man, tut tut    
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Reply #180 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 8:17am
 
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ANDREW BOLT


Minister is stubbornly determined to ignore the facts in defence of ‘historian’

KEN Wyatt last week played the race card to defend fake “Aboriginal historian” Bruce Pascoe, and played it like a shifty man. How can he now stay as our Indigenous Affairs Minister? Last week I called on Wyatt to apologise for his role in pushing the greatest literary scandal in our history.


In 2019, I’d produced overwhelming proof that Bruce Pascoe was white – there’s not one Aboriginal ancestor in his genealogical record – and had fabricated evidence for his false claims in his best-seller, Dark Emu, that Aborigines were “farmers” living in “houses” in “towns” of “1000 people”.

Wyatt back then defended what was clearly a hoax.

“If Bruce tells me he’s Indigenous, then I know that he’s Indigenous,” he said, sounding like bait for every conman in his field.


Worse, Wyatt was just as gullible about Pascoe’s book, insisting Pascoe had quoted sources that “would probably substantiate those points that he makes”.

A simple check would have confirmed what I’d documented:
Pascoe made up some of those sources or wildly misrepresented them.


But worse again is that Wyatt, an influential minister in the Morrison government, urged that the plainly fake claims of this fake Aborigine be taught in schools – that they be “reflected in some of the teaching that occurs”. Which Dark Emu now is. But since Wyatt’s intervention, Pascoe has also been belatedly denounced by academics of the left.


Even Melbourne University, which shamefully made Pascoe a Professor of Indigenous Agriculture,
last week published a book by noted anthropologist Peter Sutton and archaeologist Keryn Walshe that debunked Dark Emu, saying it “distorts and exaggerates many points … and ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions”.


Both authors demanded Dark Emu be withdrawn from schools.


But Wyatt, asked to respond to my call for a public apology, just dug in deeper.


It seems this is not a minister influenced by facts or a desire for the truth.

First, Wyatt suggested that Pascoe’s claims to belong to three Aboriginal tribes – the Boonwurrung (or Bunerong), the Yuin and some Tasmanian tribe – were not our business: “Determining these connections is a matter for Mr Pascoe.” Well, no. No one has a monopoly on deciding what’s true.

That’s even more so when Pascoe’s claims to be Aboriginal have helped him get jobs and prizes based in part on his supposed race: two professorships, a NSW Premier’s Award for best book by an Indigenous author, and a government grant for Black Duck Foods, founded by Pascoe, to supposedly “reestablish the traditional agricultural methods” of Aborigines.

Then Wyatt started to play the race card, first saying how sad he was that questions about “Mr Pascoe’s identity have played out publicly instead of being dealt with as they should have been – by the relevant communities”. Is Wyatt really so ignorant?

Again, it’s not just the business of Aborigines when a white man falsely claims to be white.

But Pascoe’s claim to be of the Boonwurrung people was indeed denied by the Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council. His claim to be Tasmanian Aboriginal was denied by the Aboriginal Land Council of Tasmania.


Aborigines did deny Pascoe was Aboriginal, but our Indigenous Affairs Minister chose instead to believe the white Pascoe.


But Wyatt last week played the race card like it was a trump: “Media never question the ethnicity of any other Australian.”

Really? First, we’re actually questioning a white man here, not Aboriginal. Second, has Wyatt never heard of Helen Demidenko?

This supposed Ukrainian won Australia’s richest literary award with a book she said borrowed from the wartime memories of her Ukrainian relatives.

But then she was exposed as Helen Darville, with ancestry as English as Pascoe’s. Big scandal.

Third, people claiming to be Aborigines are more likely to be challenged as fakes for a simple reason: there’s more reason to fake it.

No other ethnicity comes with so many legal, welfare, professional and moral privileges.


How can Wyatt defend what he should denounce? This is not just about defending truth.

Wyatt now wants Australians to back a change in our Constitution to give special rights to people claiming to be Aborigines, like Pascoe.

How can we trust Wyatt when he says this will be good for us? That this, too, will not be abused?   
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Reply #181 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 12:48pm
 
Well, old Coonskin, with his own tenuous links to Aboriginality, will naturally say or do anything to retain the right of anyone to claim to be Aboriginal.

I ask again - if this group is so oppressed - why does everyone line up to be part of it?

And while we're on the subject - what would possibly make anyone imagine that 'generational disadvantage' is restricted to Aborigines?  Once upon a time not so long ago, many would have spouted that women were 'generationally disadvantaged' from not getting work in the steel mills or on the plough and felling trees or trekking the roads looking for a part-time casual gig somewhere or even maybe a sandwich from a kind farmer's wife.....

There are clear cases of 'generational disadvantage' in ALL social groups here in Oz - apart from the well-to-do... anyone who says differently has no idea.

I reckon this mad rush to 'being Aboriginal' is cool and replaces the real pathways in life by being able to 'stand up as a proud blah-blah-blah".... better than working for a living and you can blame all your own shortcomings on being Aboriginal in a bad society .... nah, bro - work is wandering them hills we claim as our own exclusive territory and gettin' paid to do that... why work?   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #182 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:19pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:42pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 11:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
Neferti wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
MY doctor is a nice dark chap from Nigeria. How many dark Aboriginal Doctors are there?


Hard to say, Nefertiti. Do associate professors of Boong Studies count?


Absolutely right, K. Make her show all the Aboriginal MDs and when she can't Euchre her with your list! That is your plan, isn't it? You do have a list...


I most certainly do not. How many versions of the stick did Whitey invent?

The Hills Hoist doesn't count. It was based on the 1923 Toyne Rotary Hoist. The Hills just purchased the patent for a foldable metal stick with cables used to peg clothes.

The Boongs didn't even invent them.

Waste not want not, dear. Or want not waste not. Either/or.

Been here 40,000 years, invented a stick. Aussie invented a wine cask and a black box.

Brian invented a yawn.

You?


The original Hills hoist wasn't foldable.

How old are you?


Ah - good point. That was the one they sold at Mitre Ten.

Okay, the Toyne, the Hills, and the green one. The Aussies invented them all.

Happy with that?
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Reply #183 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:23pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:33pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.



He's inflaming culture wars again, Grappler.

Didn't you say you just wanted a nice rest?

Shurely shome mishtake, no?


Nah - the persistence of Pascoe's "works" is inflaming culture wars and inciting fools to take up the cudgels for people who would bash them in an instant if they were to "feel" unrespected in any way.

So much foolishness has been implanted in the minds of the foetal alcohol and drug generations that they will never be able to see the reality for the bullshit.

Niqqer - heal thyself!!


Oh, that's right. The persistence of Dark Emu being still in print.

You and Matty want it eviscerated, with Pascoe exiled. You won't be happy until it's done, no?

Well, it may not happen overnight but it will happen. Until then, keep up the culture wars and the storm in a teacup.

You gotta have a dream, yes?
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Reply #184 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:10pm
 
While ever this nonsense of Pascoe's exists as some form of reality, these culture wars that he re-ignited will never go away.

You can't blame those who simply say NO to bullshit for perpetuating the bullshit.
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Reply #185 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 6:41pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:10pm:
While ever this nonsense of Pascoe's exists as some form of reality, these culture wars that he re-ignited will never go away.

You can't blame those who simply say NO to bullshit for perpetuating the bullshit.


You want him expunged from reality, yes?

And your culture wars are all his fault, no?

Sometimes a question is just a question.
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Reply #187 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 7:31pm
 
STILL LOVING IT......EVISCERATED


Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:39pm:
STILL LOVE THIS STATEMENT

Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
I love this line

[quote]  This is not the first time Pascoe’s work has been eviscerated.    


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Reply #188 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 7:48pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 6:41pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:10pm:
While ever this nonsense of Pascoe's exists as some form of reality, these culture wars that he re-ignited will never go away.

You can't blame those who simply say NO to bullshit for perpetuating the bullshit.


You want him expunged from reality, yes?

And your culture wars are all his fault, no?

Sometimes a question is just a question.


Umm, no... Brought into reality.
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Reply #189 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 9:07pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 7:48pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 6:41pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:10pm:
While ever this nonsense of Pascoe's exists as some form of reality, these culture wars that he re-ignited will never go away.

You can't blame those who simply say NO to bullshit for perpetuating the bullshit.


You want him expunged from reality, yes?

And your culture wars are all his fault, no?

Sometimes a question is just a question.


Umm, no... Brought into reality.


You?
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Reply #190 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 9:08pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
STILL LOVING IT......EVISCERATED


Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:39pm:
STILL LOVE THIS STATEMENT

Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
I love this line

[quote]  This is not the first time Pascoe’s work has been eviscerated.    




EMASCULATED.

Oh - and brought back to reality.

After he's EXPUNGED, EXILED and EVISORATED.

In that order, no?
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Reply #191 - Jun 22nd, 2021 at 8:08am
 
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DEBATE IS BY THE BOOK

PREMIER Gladys Berejiklian has weighed into the controversy over a book about Indigenous Australia that has been labelled inaccurate, saying the
debate about its legitimacy “is not a bad thing”.


It comes after
experts criticised the popular book Dark Emu, which is taught in the state’s schools, as “littered with unsourced material’’ and “poorly researched”
. The 2014 bestseller from Bruce Pascoe claimed Indigenous Australians were not “mere” hunter-gatherers before colonisation but also engaged in complex agriculture and housing construction practices — claims which some leading academics have refuted.

Ms Berejiklian on Monday said the scholarly debate around the book was a good thing for students.

“ I think that little literary and scholarly debate is not a bad thing,’’ she said.
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Reply #192 - Jun 22nd, 2021 at 8:26am
 
When someone lies and his works are taken as gospel.

When the facts are false and fictitious.

when children are incorrectly taught lies and rubbish.

The only way to expunge the damage is to openly and firmly destroy any credibility this rubbish has.

The ABC must be made to acknowledge that they helped perpetrate these lies with a clear and firm message that it is a book of lies.

Schools should be made to instruct children, who they have lied to, that this book is nothing but fictitious rubbish.

Refutations must be clear and concise.

Pascoe should be made to publicly admit to his lies and then shipped back to England.....to the tower with him.

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Reply #193 - Jun 22nd, 2021 at 11:54am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:13am:
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:09am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:33pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
FOR too long the bull shite of Pascoe has been rammed down our throats as evidence of how us whites have destroyed their kultcha.
When in fact, we are their saviour.

The sychophants have used this book as their only go to for everything.

Well, it's debunked, proven the trash, fictional and fabricated rubbish it is.

The myths perpetrated by a lying, self absorbed and opportunistic pom, using this rubbish to finance his parasitical lifestyle.

Send him back
Make an example of him
So that others who lie about rubbish for personal gain will think again.
All copies of his trash, should be refunded and burned.



He's inflaming culture wars again, Grappler.

Didn't you say you just wanted a nice rest?

Shurely shome mishtake, no?


Nah - the persistence of Pascoe's "works" is inflaming culture wars and inciting fools to take up the cudgels for people who would bash them in an instant if they were to "feel" unrespected in any way.

So much foolishness has been implanted in the minds of the foetal alcohol and drug generations that they will never be able to see the reality for the bullshit.

Niqqer - heal thyself!!


You demand it be banned and eviscerated, no?

How brave of you both.

Yes, dear. You, and Matty.



You are an extremist and need watching closely.

I said that Pascoe's work should be put in the position it deserves - just one person's view and flawed at that, and proven to be poorly researched and based.

Something wrong with you, boy?


It could be left to it's own demise but it is being taught in schools as factual theory.

It, just like "critical race" theory has no place in our education systems/curricular.
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Reply #194 - Jun 22nd, 2021 at 11:57am
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 9:08pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 7:31pm:
STILL LOVING IT......EVISCERATED


Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 7:39pm:
STILL LOVE THIS STATEMENT

Valkie wrote on Jun 20th, 2021 at 2:08pm:
I love this line

[quote]  This is not the first time Pascoe’s work has been eviscerated.    




EMASCULATED.

Oh - and brought back to reality.

After he's EXPUNGED, EXILED and EVISORATED.

In that order, no?


You're losing it Roll Eyes
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