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Question: Is bwyannnnnnnnnn ever going to accept the truth
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Not a chance, too invested    
  4 (57.1%)
Not likely, he will never accept truth    
  0 (0.0%)
Unlikely, too pig headed to back down    
  2 (28.6%)
Only if he has a hint of honesty in him    
  0 (0.0%)
Of course he will, he da man, tut tut    
  1 (14.3%)




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Reply #60 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 4:32pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 12:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:22pm:
Hmmmmmmm.

That would be in the thread I posted where several highly qualified and experienced academics and archaeologists.
Stated outright that pascoe was a liar.

You remember the thread.
The one that you refused to respond to with anything but some ad homen statement about racists etc.

Pascoe is an unmitigated liar.

Nothing he has stated has ever been proven as fact.

Its all just like his aboriginal heritage....fabrication.


Oh, I remember that. That's the one where you couldn't say who they were or where he lied, ja?


As a matter of fact.
Each qualified expert was listed with their qualifications.

As for detailed dissection of each inaccuracy, it frankly isn't worth the trouble.

Suffice to say, he has lied so many times and in so many ways
Nothing he has written could be considered fact.

The way it works (for the dummies)
Is that you have a theory, you prove said theory and present facts.

Pascoe and his blind followers simply make outrageous statements, without proof or evidence, and say....."It's up to you to prove I'm wrong"

In Pascoe world
I could say anything regardless of how impossible it may be
And say.
"PROVE ME WRONG"

That is not science,.
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #61 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 5:08pm
 

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Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #62 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 5:23pm
 
Had your balls handed to you in the Pascoe thread.

Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.

Its his declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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Reply #63 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 9:23pm
 

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Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #64 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 10:15pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 1:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 5:08pm:
Neferti wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 3:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 12:43pm:
Neferti wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:08pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




Have you read what Joseph Banks said in his Journals - (particularly the arrival in Sydney Cove) - about the Aboriginals?


Be a bit hard, Neferti, Banks never arrived in Sydney Cove.  He travelled with Cook and Cook sailed past Sydney Harbour in 1776... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Whatever.  Did you read Banks' Journals?  He was actually there, unlike Pascoe.  Wink


Banks visited Botany Bay, Neferti.  Please, at least get your geography correct.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don’t you lecture anyone about historical events when you don’t know when Cook was here.

1770 you dill.


No, dear, I noticed it too. You mentioned Sydney Cove, as if Banks was with Phillip in the First Fleet - those who actually met and lived with Boongs.

Banks went BACK TO WHERE HE CAME FROM in 1771. He visited the Royal Geographical Society in London and lectured Sydney settlers from afar. The only thing Banks had to do with settling Australia was naming a couple of plants.

David Collins and Watkin Tench wrote the journals of first encounter. The only actual Boongs Banks saw waved spears from the shore at the good old Endeavour.

In terms of collecting samples of fauna, Banks is the man. In terms of actual colonising, Banks was considered a complete dilettante.

You?
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #65 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 10:30pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 4:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 12:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 6:22pm:
Hmmmmmmm.

That would be in the thread I posted where several highly qualified and experienced academics and archaeologists.
Stated outright that pascoe was a liar.

You remember the thread.
The one that you refused to respond to with anything but some ad homen statement about racists etc.

Pascoe is an unmitigated liar.

Nothing he has stated has ever been proven as fact.

Its all just like his aboriginal heritage....fabrication.


Oh, I remember that. That's the one where you couldn't say who they were or where he lied, ja?


As a matter of fact.
Each qualified expert was listed with their qualifications.

As for detailed dissection of each inaccuracy, it frankly isn't worth the trouble.

Suffice to say, he has lied so many times and in so many ways
Nothing he has written could be considered fact.

The way it works (for the dummies)
Is that you have a theory, you prove said theory and present facts.

Pascoe and his blind followers simply make outrageous statements, without proof or evidence, and say....."It's up to you to prove I'm wrong"

In Pascoe world
I could say anything regardless of how impossible it may be
And say.
"PROVE ME WRONG"

That is not science,.


Not at all. We asked - at least five times. You ignored every opportunity to explain.

If you wish to do so, here's your chance. Again.

As for an explanation of every discrepancy, that's what we do, detailed or otherwise.

Please explain?
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #66 - Jun 15th, 2021 at 10:45pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 10:22am:
Frank wrote on Jun 14th, 2021 at 7:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:53pm:
https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/google/223...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





In psychology, an idiot has the least intelligence on the IQ scale (this now is equivalent to someone who is mentally retarded or the more politically correct “mentally challenged”); an imbecile is not quite as dumb as an idiot and is now considered equivalent to moderate retardation; a moron is then the highest level of intelligence for someone who is mentally retarded, thus considered as being mildly mentally retarded.  Specifically, those who have an IQ between 0 and 25 are idiots; IQs between 26 and 50 are considered imbeciles; and those who have an IQ between 51 and 70 are considered morons.

Huh


Brian's a well-educated moron.


You're responding to someone who couldn't even be bothered sitting for a citizenship test.

Freud on Man's Stool, innit.
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Reply #67 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 12:46am
 
Never forget the Aboriginal culture that enriches our modern culture, we are all cultures these days but Aboriginal culture goes back longer than any other culture and  it is a culture like no other culture because they were isolated since the primate era.
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Reply #68 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 12:57am
 
Hallelujah!  I feel enriched!!

I was about to make a comment about George Floyd and the way the crowd got onside with him, regardless of the fact that he was a criminal being arrested, but because he was Black like them.... that is sadly reminiscent of our GBH (Grown Black at Home) community, who always side with 'their own' regardless of what that asshole has done.

The pr1ck might have bashed someone's grandmother to death, but the crowd will still come out and whine about the chance the asshole might suffer 'death in custody' as a persecuted Black.

THAT is one of the most grievous problems with our Black society here... this 'sticking together' even when the cont is the scum of the earth... they'll even support him in prison and some dopey sheila will shack up with him once he's out and take the chance he'll bash her when he gets pissed again.

Same applies there with the Floyds of the earth - no matter what some asshole has done, they will side with him/her because they are Black....
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Reply #69 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 1:10am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 12:57am:
Hallelujah!  I feel enriched!!

I was about to make a comment about George Floyd and the way the crowd got onside with him, regardless of the fact that he was a criminal being arrested, but because he was Black like them.... that is sadly reminiscent of our GBH (Grown Black at Home) community, who always side with 'their own' regardless of what that asshole has done.

The pr1ck might have bashed someone's grandmother to death, but the crowd will still come out and whine about the chance the asshole might suffer 'death in custody' as a persecuted Black.

THAT is one of the most grievous problems with our Black society here... this 'sticking together' even when the cont is the scum of the earth... they'll even support him in prison and some dopey sheila will shack up with him once he's out and take the chance he'll bash her when he gets pissed again.

Same applies there with the Floyds of the earth - no matter what some asshole has done, they will side with him/her because they are Black....

George Floyd will go down as the niger with the biggest lips and the best Angels wings ever.
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Reply #70 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 8:05am
 
Bwyannnnnnnn has had his balls handed to you in the Pascoe thread.

Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.

Its his declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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Reply #71 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 8:08am
 
Not at all. We asked - at least five times. You ignored every opportunity to explain.

If you wish to do so, here's your chance. Again.

[quote author=Valkie link=1623452148/20#20 date=1623489860]Because bwyannnnnnn obviously has difficulty reading true facts.

Here it is again,

OK;

After considerable reading of subject matter from several Qualified and Accredited academics.
There is nothing at all to back up Pascoes lies about Farming or cities of aboriginals pre-colonization.

Dr Christopher Lloyd , Emeritus Professor of Economic History in School of Business, University of New England, Armidale
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.


There were areas of partially sedentary material culture where food sources were abundant, such as some river valleys and coastlines. There were, however, no permanent dwellings, no real villages and very few possessions.
Nomadic foraging was by far the dominant socioeconomic system.
As with foragers elsewhere, however, here there was a wide variety of activity, dependent to a large degree on the environment in which people lived.

Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.   



Furthemore;
Dr Ian Keen is Honorary Associate Professor, School of Archaeology and Anthropology, College Arts & Social Sciences at the Australia National University in Canberra. His distinguished academic career spans more than forty years.

Historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey

Academic, who specialised in covering research in history, anthropology and botany, Bill Gammage, in his 2011 book, The Biggest Estate on Earth.

Rhys Jones (archaeologist)

All of the above have stated professionally that Australian Aboriginals were not and have never been true farmers.
They use the term "Firestick" farming (setting fire to control growth).
Which was probably misinterpreted by the semi-literate lazy researcher Pascoe as farming in an agricultural term.


All state that Aborigines never lived in cities or even villages, but may have lived in collectives where food sources were plentyful.
And that housing structures did not nor ever have existed.

The "fish traps" so revered in myth and lore were the result of natural phenomenon and some opportunistic placement of rocks to make traps.
Not unheard of in primitive people and certainly not indicative of an established farming and coordinated enterprise.


Again;
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.   


My conclusion, which will be refuted by Pascoe's worshipers, is that Australian Aborigines were nothing more than Primitive hunter gatherers.
Sure, some took advantage of some natural elements and< as they do, Loved setting fires.

But there is not one shred of true evidence that agriculture, aquaculture or building is/or has been found to date.

Finally;
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To amateurs like us, all this controversy over how to define the economies of pre-colonial Aboriginal societies just sounds like semantics.
Aboriginal people were quite happy with their lives as very skilled and successful hunter gatherers.
If 250 years later, politically motivated academics and activists want to engage in world play by calling Aboriginal people farmers, living in settled stone villages of 1000 people, so be it.
It won’t make any difference to the Aboriginal Sovereignty argument - When the British colonised New South Wales in 1788 they legally ‘settled’ here amongst nomadic, native hunter gatherers. It was not a  ‘conquest’ or ‘cession’ of settled farmers who had a recognisable social government, as understood by the legal definitions of the time, so no
Treaty was required
.


Academics can write as many papers as they like with ‘Farming’ in the title such as, ‘Food-getting, Domestication and Farming in Pre-colonial Australia’ and then have to admit that, ‘This paper argues that Australian Aboriginal economies do conform to the “complex” hunter gatherer archetype’. (ibid. p116). Which is what all us amateurs already know - [b][size=14][color=#ff0000]Aboriginal people were brilliant and successful hunter gatherers nothing more.
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Reply #72 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 1:37pm
 

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Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #73 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 2:23pm
 
Oh, Matty, you are a silly Billy. Pascoe never mentioned cities. Look what your emeritus professor says:

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Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.   


And you're saying Bwiaaaan's lying?

Come come. You've just proven Pascoe's case.
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Reply #74 - Jun 16th, 2021 at 2:30pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 16th, 2021 at 2:23pm:
Oh, Matty, you are a silly Billy. Pascoe never mentioned cities. Look what your emeritus professor says:

Quote:
Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.   


And you're saying Bwiaaaan's lying?

Come come. You've just proven Pascoe's case.


Don't worry Karnal, nobody's trying to say they didn't invent a stick.
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