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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42629	Re: Dark Emu debunked Reply #90 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 9:02pm Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 6:58pm: You've really got Matty rattled, Brian. What's your secret? Do you think it's the yawn? Persistence, my old fella. Works for Boris apparently...
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Reply #91 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 9:03pm

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said. They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate. It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now? Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues. Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Only Belgarion appears to have attempted to address Pascoe's argument. Matty, Soren, Gnads, etc. are still lost in the void of argumentum ad huminem, perhaps forever. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #92 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 9:32pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 8:55am:

It was only a matter of time

In page after page, Sutton and Walshe accuse Pascoe of a “lack of true scholarship”, ignoring Aboriginal voices, dragging respect for traditional Aboriginal culture back into the Eurocentric world of the colonial era, and “trimming” colonial observations to fit his argument. They write that while Dark Emu “purports to be factual” it is “littered with unsourced material, is poorly researched, distorts and exaggerates many points, selectively emphasises evidence to suit those opinions, and ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions”.

“It is actually not, properly considered, a work of scholarship,” they write. “Its success as a narrative has been achieved in spite of its failure as an account of fact.”

The Sutton/Walshe book is not the first criticism of Dark Emu. Australian National University anthropologist Ian Keen has said that Pascoe’s evidence for Aboriginal farming is “deeply problematic”, although he also believes that some of the criticism has been used to support a racist agenda. Christophe Darmangeat, a lecturer in social anthropology at the Sorbonne in France, wrote that in Dark Emu Pascoe mixes “perfectly proven elements, others possible but more doubtful, others very improbable, and finally frank fabrications, firing on all cylinders by handling concepts and facts with a disarming casualness”. Quadrant published a polemical book, Bitter Harvest, against Pascoe’s claims. But Sutton and Walshe’s Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? is the most forensic and best credentialled examination and repudiation of Dark Emu.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/debunking-dark-emu-did-the-publishing-phenomenon...

What about the book referenced in the OP, Bbwianesque cockwomble, and the long review of it linked to?

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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #93 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 9:57pm

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 9:32pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 8:55am:

It was only a matter of time

In page after page, Sutton and Walshe accuse Pascoe of a “lack of true scholarship”, ignoring Aboriginal voices, dragging respect for traditional Aboriginal culture back into the Eurocentric world of the colonial era, and “trimming” colonial observations to fit his argument. They write that while Dark Emu “purports to be factual” it is “littered with unsourced material, is poorly researched, distorts and exaggerates many points, selectively emphasises evidence to suit those opinions, and ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions”.

“It is actually not, properly considered, a work of scholarship,” they write. “Its success as a narrative has been achieved in spite of its failure as an account of fact.”

The Sutton/Walshe book is not the first criticism of Dark Emu. Australian National University anthropologist Ian Keen has said that Pascoe’s evidence for Aboriginal farming is “deeply problematic”, although he also believes that some of the criticism has been used to support a racist agenda. Christophe Darmangeat, a lecturer in social anthropology at the Sorbonne in France, wrote that in Dark Emu Pascoe mixes “perfectly proven elements, others possible but more doubtful, others very improbable, and finally frank fabrications, firing on all cylinders by handling concepts and facts with a disarming casualness”. Quadrant published a polemical book, Bitter Harvest, against Pascoe’s claims. But Sutton and Walshe’s Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? is the most forensic and best credentialled examination and repudiation of Dark Emu.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/debunking-dark-emu-did-the-publishing-phenomenon...

What about the book referenced in the OP, Bbwianesque cockwomble, and the long review of it linked to?

Oh, Matty had to open his big mouth and debunk it.

Such a pity. He was cutting and pasting Brian's tsks so professionally, no?

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Reply #95 - Jun 17^th, 2021 at 8:06am

Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.

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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #96 - Jun 17^th, 2021 at 10:16am

Karnal wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 10:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 1:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 5:08pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 3:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:22am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 8:08pm:

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Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said. They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate. It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now? Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues. Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Have you read what Joseph Banks said in his Journals - (particularly the arrival in Sydney Cove) - about the Aboriginals?

Be a bit hard, Neferti, Banks never arrived in Sydney Cove. He travelled with Cook and Cook sailed past Sydney Harbour in 1776... Roll Eyes

Whatever. Did you read Banks' Journals? He was actually there, unlike Pascoe. Wink

Banks visited Botany Bay, Neferti. Please, at least get your geography correct. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Don’t you lecture anyone about historical events when you don’t know when Cook was here.

1770 you dill.

No, dear, I noticed it too. You mentioned Sydney Cove, as if Banks was with Phillip in the First Fleet - those who actually met and lived with Boongs.

Banks went BACK TO WHERE HE CAME FROM in 1771. He visited the Royal Geographical Society in London and lectured Sydney settlers from afar. The only thing Banks had to do with settling Australia was naming a couple of plants.

David Collins and Watkin Tench wrote the journals of first encounter. The only actual Boongs Banks saw waved spears from the shore at the good old Endeavour.

In terms of collecting samples of fauna, Banks is the man. In terms of actual colonising, Banks was considered a complete dilettante.

You?

If you had really been observant you would have seen that I never mentioned Banks being at Sydney Cove with Phillip ‘twas someone else.

I did say they were in Botany Bay… in fact for eight days. So old mate Banks had ample opportunity to see Aboriginals first hand as shots were fired at a couple….. one of whom was shot and injured according to present day local black chaps.

His shield with bullet hole is in a British museum and his descendants want it back.

So Cook and Banksy didn’t just see boongs from a distance waving spears at them….. they got up close
& took souvenirs.

Not as flesh sampling close as you’d prefer…yes? Grin

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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #97 - Jun 17^th, 2021 at 10:51am

Gnads wrote on Jun 17^th, 2021 at 10:16am: