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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #15 - Jun 19^th, 2021 at 9:48pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 19^th, 2021 at 9:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 19^th, 2021 at 9:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 19^th, 2021 at 8:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 19^th, 2021 at 8:17pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 19^th, 2021 at 3:58pm:

What a load of schitt.
I will believe it when the Chinese start publishing the data on how many people they have confirmed with the coronavirus in China.

I believe them.
They made their own vaccine and got it out there fast.

Why the hell didn't we make an ordinary vaccine as we
normally would have for any other virus and give it to Australians?
Why did we have to delay everything by 6 to 8 months
and get carried away with the hysteria about the "wonderful" new mRNA technology?

Analogy -
you're stuck at the side of the road with a flat tyre.
Do you spend a difficult 20 minutes pumping it up with a slow hand pump
or do you wait 5 hours for the RACV to turn up and help you?

You should be happy with the AstraZeneca vaccine then, it's not an mRNA vaccine. Go get your shot.

It still sounds scary:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vacc...

At least you know it's extremely unlikely side effects, what do you know about Sinovac?

Quote:

AZD1222 comes out of decades of research on adenovirus-based vaccines. In July, the first one was approved for general use — a vaccine for Ebola, made by Johnson & Johnson. Advanced clinical trials are underway for other diseases, including H.I.V. and Zika.

edit: I don't understand why you fear the mRNA vaccines. Basically for a short period of time your own cells provide the foreign protein needed to cause an immune response.

Quote:

What would you say to people who are afraid that mRNA vaccines alter your DNA?
It’s simply not true. In fact, it’s the other way around. DNA makes RNA. The mRNA in the COVID-19 vaccines only goes into a certain part of the cell — the outer part known as the cytoplasm. It doesn’t go into the cell’s nucleus, the part of the cell where the DNA lives. And, mRNA doesn’t last very long because its job is to give the information to the cell — a blueprint for how to make a protein — and then it goes away.

edit2: This is even how a part of how viruses themselves kinda work.

I think we're out of our depth now Set.
We have to trust the experts. Embarrassed

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Victor Sunny Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 379 Gender:	Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today Reply #16 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated. Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago. (correction: just read the article again 49 people died)
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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #17 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 7:51am

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZenica is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 42 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZenica from Japan about a week ago.

As a wumao, your anger is not directed at the efficacy or risk of vaccines.

If it were you would be more concerned about the inefficacy (and the false-security that it evokes) of Chinese vaccines: Sinovac and Sinopharm. Both have proven to have the lowest efficacy rates of all current vaccines.

What angers you is that Taiwan is receiving vaccines from its democratic partners (i.e. Japan and the U.S.).

What Chinese regime belligerence has revealed to the regime is the cohesive nature of democracies in times like these.

Wolk wanker 'diplomacy' has damaged China's relationship with the world and, ultimately, it will not protect the regime's culpability in covering up the virus outbreak (having leaked from the WIV).

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today Reply #18 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:38am we only have their word for it... I dont trust anything that comes out of there to be honest
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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #19 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:43am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 7:51am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZenica is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 42 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZenica from Japan about a week ago.

As a wumao, your anger is not directed at the efficacy or risk of vaccines.

If it were you would be more concerned about the inefficacy (and the false-security that it evokes) of Chinese vaccines: Sinovac and Sinopharm. Both have proven to have the lowest efficacy rates of all current vaccines.

What angers you is that Taiwan is receiving vaccines from its democratic partners (i.e. Japan and the U.S.).

What Chinese regime belligerence has revealed to the regime is the cohesive nature of democracies in times like these.

Wolk wanker 'diplomacy' has damaged China's relationship with the world and, ultimately, it will not protect the regime's culpability in covering up the virus outbreak (having leaked from the WIV).

What's wumao? Are you a dog food eater? getting dog food cans every day?

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #20 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:56am

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:43am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 7:51am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZenica is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 42 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZenica from Japan about a week ago.

As a wumao, your anger is not directed at the efficacy or risk of vaccines.

If it were you would be more concerned about the inefficacy (and the false-security that it evokes) of Chinese vaccines: Sinovac and Sinopharm. Both have proven to have the lowest efficacy rates of all current vaccines.

What angers you is that Taiwan is receiving vaccines from its democratic partners (i.e. Japan and the U.S.).

What Chinese regime belligerence has revealed to the regime is the cohesive nature of democracies in times like these.

Wolk wanker 'diplomacy' has damaged China's relationship with the world and, ultimately, it will not protect the regime's culpability in covering up the virus outbreak (having leaked from the WIV).

What's wumao? Are you a dog food eater? getting dog food cans every day?

Judging by your Sinofied English, I'm pretty sure you know what a wumao is in this context.

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #21 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:01am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:56am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:43am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 7:51am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZenica is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 42 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZenica from Japan about a week ago.

As a wumao, your anger is not directed at the efficacy or risk of vaccines.

If it were you would be more concerned about the inefficacy (and the false-security that it evokes) of Chinese vaccines: Sinovac and Sinopharm. Both have proven to have the lowest efficacy rates of all current vaccines.

What angers you is that Taiwan is receiving vaccines from its democratic partners (i.e. Japan and the U.S.).

What Chinese regime belligerence has revealed to the regime is the cohesive nature of democracies in times like these.

Wolk wanker 'diplomacy' has damaged China's relationship with the world and, ultimately, it will not protect the regime's culpability in covering up the virus outbreak (having leaked from the WIV).

What's wumao? Are you a dog food eater? getting dog food cans every day?

Judging by your Sinofied English, I'm pretty sure you know what a wumao is in this context.

What a trash you are ! Here everyone is talking about vaccine. You're talking rubbish politics.

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #22 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:03am

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago.

(correction: just read the article again 49 people died)

It is scary -
as of mid May 210 people died in Australia after getting it.
Of course the Govt. said they were old and would have died anyway. Embarrassed

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #23 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:06am

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:01am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:56am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:43am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 7:51am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZenica is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 42 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZenica from Japan about a week ago.

As a wumao, your anger is not directed at the efficacy or risk of vaccines.

If it were you would be more concerned about the inefficacy (and the false-security that it evokes) of Chinese vaccines: Sinovac and Sinopharm. Both have proven to have the lowest efficacy rates of all current vaccines.

What angers you is that Taiwan is receiving vaccines from its democratic partners (i.e. Japan and the U.S.).

What Chinese regime belligerence has revealed to the regime is the cohesive nature of democracies in times like these.

Wolk wanker 'diplomacy' has damaged China's relationship with the world and, ultimately, it will not protect the regime's culpability in covering up the virus outbreak (having leaked from the WIV).

What's wumao? Are you a dog food eater? getting dog food cans every day?

Judging by your Sinofied English, I'm pretty sure you know what a wumao is in this context.

What a trash you are ! Here everyone is talking about vaccine. You're talking rubbish politics.

No, you are talking politics (or should I say peddling propaganda)... All wumao posts on these matters are politically motivated, particularly where Taiwan is concerned.

What's your opinion on the poor efficacy rate of Chinese vaccines and (worse) the insistence that they be taken before entering China regardless of the entrant's other vaccines used?

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #24 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:43am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:03am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago.

(correction: just read the article again 49 people died)

It is scary -
as of mid May 210 people died in Australia after getting it.
Of course the Govt. said they were old and would have died anyway. Embarrassed

That is not what the TGA's facts say

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #25 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 10:01am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:03am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago.

(correction: just read the article again 49 people died)

It is scary -
as of mid May 210 people died in Australia after getting it.
Of course the Govt. said they were old and would have died anyway. Embarrassed

Thats why AstraZeneca is for over 60's.

If they die oh well they were old and may have died anyway.

But if people in their 20's 30's 40's start dying that cannot be so easily washed away.

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #26 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 11:10am

Ajax wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 10:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:03am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago.

(correction: just read the article again 49 people died)

It is scary -
as of mid May 210 people died in Australia after getting it.
Of course the Govt. said they were old and would have died anyway. Embarrassed

Thats why AstraZeneca is for over 60's.

If they die oh well they were old and may have died anyway.

But if people in their 20's 30's 40's start dying that cannot be so easily washed away.

Old people died. The Gov can say those people have other diseases. Young healthy people died, the gov can't point to scapegoat.

Taiwan today news said it so far has 60 people died after AZ vaccinated. The young one is age 42.

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #27 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:37pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 11:10am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 10:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:03am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago.

(correction: just read the article again 49 people died)

It is scary -
as of mid May 210 people died in Australia after getting it.
Of course the Govt. said they were old and would have died anyway. Embarrassed

Thats why AstraZeneca is for over 60's.

If they die oh well they were old and may have died anyway.

But if people in their 20's 30's 40's start dying that cannot be so easily washed away.

Old people died. The Gov can say those people have other diseases. Young healthy people died, the gov can't point to scapegoat.

Taiwan today news said it so far has 60 people died after AZ vaccinated. The young one is age 42.

Really wumao? 60 people? The youngest was 42? The only reference I've found from Taiwan is 49 deaths (link to AstraZeneca to be determined) and all were elderly and had comorbidities.

But you'll be 'relieved' to read that the U.S has shipped 2.5 million shots of Moderna to Taiwan.

So, it looks like the Taiwanese will be safer than their regime-controlled counterparts in China who are forced to take the low-efficacy Chinese-made vaccines.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/exclusive-us-triples...

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #28 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 1:17pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:37pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 11:10am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 10:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 9:03am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:04am:

AstraZeneca is a scary vaccine. It's only a few (5) days Taiwan started vaccination program. 49 Taiwaneses died after AZ vaccinated.

Taiwan got 1.24 million does AstraZeneca from Japan about a week ago.

(correction: just read the article again 49 people died)

It is scary -
as of mid May 210 people died in Australia after getting it.
Of course the Govt. said they were old and would have died anyway. Embarrassed

Thats why AstraZeneca is for over 60's.

If they die oh well they were old and may have died anyway.

But if people in their 20's 30's 40's start dying that cannot be so easily washed away.

Old people died. The Gov can say those people have other diseases. Young healthy people died, the gov can't point to scapegoat.

Taiwan today news said it so far has 60 people died after AZ vaccinated. The young one is age 42.

Really wumao? 60 people? The youngest was 42? The only reference I've found from Taiwan is 49 deaths (link to AstraZeneca to be determined) and all were elderly and had comorbidities.

But you'll be 'relieved' to read that the U.S has shipped 2.5 million shots of Moderna to Taiwan.

So, it looks like the Taiwanese will be safer than their regime-controlled counterparts in China who are forced to take the low-efficacy Chinese-made vaccines.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/exclusive-us-triples...

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/06/18/2003759379
The age 42 one died on Wednesday.

You can't understand Chinese in Taiwan news. Here is English report for your wumao poo---

COVID-19 (6/19): Taiwan reports that 49 people have died following an AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab
https://en.rti.org.tw/news/view/id/2005585
This is yesterday news.

Today it's increased to 60.

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Re: China to reach 1 billion vax doses today
Reply #29 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 1:56pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 1:17pm:

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/06/18/2003759379
The age 42 died last Wednesday.

You can't understand Chinese in Taiwan news. Here is English report for your wumao poo---

COVID-19 (6/19): Taiwan reports that 49 people have died following an AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab
https://en.rti.org.tw/news/view/id/2005585
This is yesterday news.

Today it's increased to 60.

So, using the links provided.

Seven women and five men aged 42 to 97 had experienced serious adverse events suspected to be related to an AstraZeneca vaccination. They were not reported to have died.

The only reference to '60' were the number of men who had contracted the virus with 67 women also recorded having contracted the virus (i.e. nothing to do with vaccine shots).

case numbers have been going down which shows that the outbreak is under control. But he says the public should not let its guard down as the virus could easily spread if people are not careful.

Of the 127 new local cases announced on Saturday, 60 were men and 67 were women.

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