Australian Politics Forum - Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI

Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30090 Gender:	Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Reply #135 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 11:50am They probably don't want ivermectim as a possible solution because it is cheap and the patents have expired which means it can be manufactured by anyone.
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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Reply #136 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 11:54am Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 11:50am: They probably don't want ivermectim as a possible solution because it is cheap and the patents have expired which means it can be manufactured by anyone. Why would anyone want to deny people a cheap effective treament in this time?
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Reply #137 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:15pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 11:54am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

They probably don't want ivermectim as a possible solution because it is cheap and the patents have expired which means it can be manufactured by anyone.

Why would anyone want to deny people a cheap effective treament in this time?

Take Merck, which in a brazen move, outright declared there was absolutely no evidence for ivermectin in regards to COVID-19. TrialSite responded, pointing out that on the one hand, we understood Merck had to protect its business, given it paid $425 million for a company with a COVID-19 drug in November and then just a month later received $356 million from the U.S. government to develop the same drug known as MK7100. TrialSite suggested the tactics were unethical and could damage Merck’s brand over the long run. After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite.

https://trialsitenews.com/is-the-ivermectin-situation-rigged-in-favor-of-industr...

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Reply #138 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:16pm After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite. Ivermectin is safe to use, its just not effective.
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Reply #139 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:19pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:16pm:

After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite.

Ivermectin is safe to use, its just not effective.

the cochrane institute want studies done.

will merk fund them, given they have a patented drug they have a billion invested in and a non patented ivermectin which will earn them pennies.

why would merk run a trial on ivermectin?

are they in the business of making a loss ? Roll Eyes

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Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI
Reply #140 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:19pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:16pm:

After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite.

Ivermectin is safe to use, its just not effective.

the cochrane institute want studies done.

will merk fund them, given they have a patented drug they have a billion invested in and a non patented ivermectin which will earn them pennies.

why would merk run a trial on ivermectin?

are they in the business of making a loss ? Roll Eyes

1. Merck
2. The smaller scale studies around ivermectin have been so hit and miss. E.g. did you see the one that just got retracted on ethical grounds?

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Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI
Reply #141 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:41pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:19pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:16pm:

After all, this is the company that helps produce ivermectin and has donated billions of doses to the third world to fight parasites. They turn around and say their own drug is possibly not safe yet the track record says the complete opposite.

Ivermectin is safe to use, its just not effective.

the cochrane institute want studies done.

will merk fund them, given they have a patented drug they have a billion invested in and a non patented ivermectin which will earn them pennies.

why would merk run a trial on ivermectin?

are they in the business of making a loss ? Roll Eyes

1. Merck
2. The smaller scale studies around ivermectin have been so hit and miss. E.g. did you see the one that just got retracted on ethical grounds?

exactly, a large scale trial is needed.

now think carefully.

why on earth would big pharma pay for it?
why on earth would the CDC or the WHO pay for it?

both of them would just look bad if it did actually work.
they would have denied millions of people , therapy that costs pennies.

hence, it wont get done Cry

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34812 Gender:	Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Reply #142 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:43pm thats also why these small studies are grouped together as a "meta analysis' this guy is very unbiased
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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Reply #143 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:45pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:43pm: this guy is very unbiased ] ' Why? Because you agree with him?
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Reply #144 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:50pm

I'd prefer a actual peer reviewed metaanalysis

Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

So thus needs more study.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34812 Gender:	Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI Reply #145 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:23pm John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:45pm: aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:43pm: this guy is very unbiased ] ' Why? Because you agree with him? meh, he does some good stuff on covid. pretty straight laced guy. cochrane NEVER publish aanything that is not peer reviewed
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Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI
Reply #146 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:25pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:50pm:

I'd prefer a actual peer reviewed metaanalysis

Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

So thus needs more study.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

um

earth to you.

YES it needs more study Roll Eyes

will that study be done when it would undermine big phamra profits and make the CDC and WHO look like they with held cheap safe therapy?

no

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Re: Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVI
Reply #147 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:42pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

this guy is very unbiased ]

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Why? Because you agree with him?

meh,

he does some good stuff on covid.

pretty straight laced guy.

cochrane NEVER publish aanything that is not peer reviewed

Thank you, I was aware of that. And as for other studies, why does a pharmaceutical company have to study a drug? Since the patent expired in 1996, any company can run with ivermectin

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Reply #148 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:52pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

this guy is very unbiased ]

'
Why? Because you agree with him?

meh,

he does some good stuff on covid.

pretty straight laced guy.

cochrane NEVER publish aanything that is not peer reviewed

Thank you, I was aware of that. And as for other studies, why does a pharmaceutical company have to study a drug? Since the patent expired in 1996, any company can run with ivermectin

sure.

i can see the CEO of some company proposing that the company spend 100 million dollars running a trial and

if it works

ANY COMPANY CAN PRODUCE AND SELL IT.

effectivley , you are saying, any company should piss 100 million down the toilet Roll Eyes

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Reply #149 - Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:58pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

this guy is very unbiased ]

'
Why? Because you agree with him?

meh,

he does some good stuff on covid.

pretty straight laced guy.

cochrane NEVER publish aanything that is not peer reviewed

Thank you, I was aware of that. And as for other studies, why does a pharmaceutical company have to study a drug? Since the patent expired in 1996, any company can run with ivermectin

sure.

i can see the CEO of some company proposing that the company spend 100 million dollars running a trial and

if it works

ANY COMPANY CAN PRODUCE AND SELL IT.

effectivley , you are saying, any company should piss 100 million down the toilet Roll Eyes

Given you can market it worldwide you would make that back easily.

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