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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5397 Gender:	Re: What was the point? Reply #61 - Aug 20^th, 2021 at 8:45pm Brian Ross wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 5:13pm: Interesting, just like after the fall of Saigon...The Taliban's new armoury of US-made equipment includes planes, guns and night-vision goggles The good news is that much of it will soon be U/S due to lack of maintenance.
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Reply #62 - Aug 20^th, 2021 at 9:40pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:34pm:

What are all the complaints about by Afghanis against the USA exiting the region?

some are willing to stand up to the taliban, but not enough to make any real difference. They're the ones most likely to be targeted first by the taliban and the ones who don't want the US to leave for that very reason

The Taliban military number about as many as the Australian army. Even if one in every one hundred Afghanis trained to be a soldier, the numbers alone (irrespective of quality) would have taken down the Taliban. 55,000 Afghanis have died fighting against the Taliban. All of a sudden, the Afghanis do not want to fight anymore because of the withdrawal of the United States Air Force?

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Reply #63 - Aug 20^th, 2021 at 10:06pm

Belgarion wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 8:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 5:13pm:

Interesting, just like after the fall of Saigon...The Taliban's new armoury of US-made equipment includes planes, guns and night-vision goggles Roll Eyes

The good news is that much of it will soon be U/S due to lack of maintenance.

They won't have the trained men to pilot or use them or maintain them. Unlike Vietnam they will value religious observance over technical ability. They will be like Iran was in the first year after the revolution. Roll Eyes

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UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:34pm:

What are all the complaints about by Afghanis against the USA exiting the region?

some are willing to stand up to the taliban, but not enough to make any real difference. They're the ones most likely to be targeted first by the taliban and the ones who don't want the US to leave for that very reason

The Taliban military number about as many as the Australian army. Even if one in every one hundred Afghanis trained to be a soldier, the numbers alone (irrespective of quality) would have taken down the Taliban. 55,000 Afghanis have died fighting against the Taliban. All of a sudden, the Afghanis do not want to fight anymore because of the withdrawal of the United States Air Force?

which takes us back to my original point.... until the maqjority want a change and are prepared to fight for it themselves, the taliban will rule. Moving western forces in to force change won't change that, it only delays everything but the amount of time the west stays there.

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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 41171	Re: What was the point? Reply #65 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 2:30pm Good...Dozens more Australians and Afghans airlifted out of Kabul airport after Taliban takeover
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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 41171	Re: What was the point? Reply #66 - Aug 22^nd, 2021 at 12:57pm Hundreds escape Afghanistan on four RAAF flights out of Kabul Ungrateful bastards - Australia denies visas to Afghans who helped guard embassy in Kabul
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Reply #67 - Aug 22^nd, 2021 at 4:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2021 at 12:57pm:

Hundreds escape Afghanistan on four RAAF flights out of Kabul Roll Eyes

Ungrateful bastards - Australia denies visas to Afghans who helped guard embassy in Kabul Shocked

I'm fairly sure Migration Agents will be few and far between in Kabul, but this seems to have escaped the public servant who composed this stock reply.

You all know my stance on illegal immigrants and dodgy asylum seekers. In this situation however it's necessary to take most applications at face value and evacuate the applicants ASAP, with the proviso that if anything untoward shows up in checks down the track the application will be rejected.

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Reply #68 - Aug 22^nd, 2021 at 5:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 12:44pm:

Good...Rescue flight lands in Perth carrying Afghanistan evacuees including Australians and interpreters

Now, the excuses begin...Defence forces unable to operate past Taliban's Kabul airport barricades, Prime Minister warns Roll Eyes

Well... no... Oz has withdrawn on a deal, and is now only providing local security for those able to get to the airport. Bad luck for those who can't get there.

However, remember the 'mission creep' from sending US Marines to protect Da Nang airbase .... in another vein, this reminds me of Rwanda with the ROE being that unless attacked, no weapons may be used, regardless of what is clearly visible from the perimeter. Protection of civilians being attacked and murdered was not reason sufficient to open fire.

No wonder the ROTW thinks the 'civilised' West that plays by silly rules is decadent and weak. To them chopping a head or a boob or a neck with a machete is 'strong'.....cavemen are like that...

We subject our troops to rigid investigation and trial for killing possible and potential enemies - did the Taliban ever try any of theirs for killing innocents etc? No - they give them the Allah'U Akbar Medal for Conspicuous Islamist Bravery Under No Fire.

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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 41171	Re: What was the point? Reply #69 - Aug 22^nd, 2021 at 6:04pm British military says seven Afghans killed in chaos at Kabul airport
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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 41171	Re: What was the point? Reply #70 - Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 1:27pm Good - RAAF flights out of Kabul bring 470 to safety, as Taliban strengthen hold in Afghanistan Pregnant Afghan woman fleeing Taliban goes into labour during US evacuation flight Afghan interpreter's family evacuated by US as Kabul airport chaos prevents some Australians from leaving
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Reply #71 - Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 4:18pm

It was nauseous watching the beginning 30 mins of Question Time today with the exception that acknowledgements to the ADF were due and appropriate. But......

To attempt to explain away a complete failure with powder puff references to 'freedom is always worth fighting for' is bullshit rhetoric. Labour had a chance to rip an LNP arsehole but did not even get close in the grandiose shallow self serving wallowing.

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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 41171	Re: What was the point? Reply #72 - Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 9:42pm Oh, dear - Desperate pleas as Australians in Afghanistan make failed attempts to reach flights out of Kabul
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Reply #73 - Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 11:34pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 1:12pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 9:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 8:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:34pm:

What are all the complaints about by Afghanis against the USA exiting the region?

some are willing to stand up to the taliban, but not enough to make any real difference. They're the ones most likely to be targeted first by the taliban and the ones who don't want the US to leave for that very reason

The Taliban military number about as many as the Australian army. Even if one in every one hundred Afghanis trained to be a soldier, the numbers alone (irrespective of quality) would have taken down the Taliban. 55,000 Afghanis have died fighting against the Taliban. All of a sudden, the Afghanis do not want to fight anymore because of the withdrawal of the United States Air Force?

which takes us back to my original point.... until the maqjority want a change and are prepared to fight for it themselves, the taliban will rule. Moving western forces in to force change won't change that, it only delays everything but the amount of time the west stays there.

The Afghanis were willing to fight the Taliban, as the Americans pointed out, and made great sacrifices to get to where they were by the end of 2020. But, as the president at the time (Trump) said May 2021, and Biden said September 11, 2021 for the complete withdrawal of American troops, it became an advertisement for the Afghanis to just give up on fighting. They would not have the air support or the ability to find hidden opponents as well as they could without the Americans backing the Afghanis fighting the Taliban.

I can imagine the Pakistanis giving implicit support militarily and adding manpower in some kind of stealth attempt against the Western-aligned governmental powers in Afghanistan. I figure that the Pakistanis are trying to be as recalcitrant as possible without being knowingly recalcitrant, if ever there was a term for that. The decline of Russia as a superpower. The support of China with helping the Pakistanis. The growing hate for the Americans in the region. The Saudis using their control of oil fields. I can imagine that the Afghanis simply have no choice in surrender.

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Brian Ross Moderator Online Representative of me Posts: 41171	Re: What was the point? Reply #74 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:55am Oh, dear - RAAF flights ferry another 650 out of Afghanistan in mass Kabul airlift as Taliban's 'red line' for withdrawal approaches Ex-Australian embassy guards and families left standing in sewage waiting evacuation from Taliban-controlled Kabul
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