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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #45 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:43pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:28pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:44am:
Gnads wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:45am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 6:15pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:15pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:03pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:27pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 9:30pm:
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How woke are the woke,, that is the question


Yes but I feel that ,,, the question of how asleep are the slept is more relevant. (And has more commas)



Define your slept for us....


The opposite to the meaningless woke or "Woke of the right" - "Un Woke - Slept".

adjective INFORMAL

Blind to or supporting of injustice in society, especially racism.

Is noticing racial differences racist?   Is every race responsible for how it's perceived?  Is social, economic, cultural inequality unjust?

'Racism' , ' injustice' , 'privilege'  etc are terms bandied about with Bbwianesque abandon. They are the first and last resorts from thinking for scoundrels. Once mindlessly asserted, there is no more discussion, only acceptznce or endless browbeating. They are deadend concepts for the lazy and stupid.



You are correct the term woke is a lazy nothing - an empty dog whistle.

Mostly used for political gain without reasonable support.


That's rich......

as if the terminology of the left doesn't deliberately do that ....

with the gay abandon of throwing around the labels/words racist, bigot, *****phobe, etc anytime someone doesn't agree with their slant on things.
 
Woke being a word from the looney SJW left that has been used against them to point a finger at their own biases, discrimination & racism

Identity Politics/tribalism is their forte.


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Woke being a word from the looney SJW left that has been used against them to point a finger at their own biases, discrimination & racism


Does not do any of these things. Genuine criticisms would be significantly more effective.

the right wing woke argument is mostly used when the facts are weak or non existent - it is a give away that they have nothing.


Just as those who throw the race card, the 'phobe card, the bigot, the racist card, the misogynist card et al. ?


See if you can find a topic or two based on Bolts rather dubious racial dogma ?
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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #46 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 3:43pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 1:28pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 11:44am:
Gnads wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:45am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 6:15pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:15pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 26th, 2021 at 4:03pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 11:27pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 25th, 2021 at 9:30pm:
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How woke are the woke,, that is the question


Yes but I feel that ,,, the question of how asleep are the slept is more relevant. (And has more commas)



Define your slept for us....


The opposite to the meaningless woke or "Woke of the right" - "Un Woke - Slept".

adjective INFORMAL

Blind to or supporting of injustice in society, especially racism.

Is noticing racial differences racist?   Is every race responsible for how it's perceived?  Is social, economic, cultural inequality unjust?

'Racism' , ' injustice' , 'privilege'  etc are terms bandied about with Bbwianesque abandon. They are the first and last resorts from thinking for scoundrels. Once mindlessly asserted, there is no more discussion, only acceptznce or endless browbeating. They are deadend concepts for the lazy and stupid.



You are correct the term woke is a lazy nothing - an empty dog whistle.

Mostly used for political gain without reasonable support.


That's rich......

as if the terminology of the left doesn't deliberately do that ....

with the gay abandon of throwing around the labels/words racist, bigot, *****phobe, etc anytime someone doesn't agree with their slant on things.
 
Woke being a word from the looney SJW left that has been used against them to point a finger at their own biases, discrimination & racism

Identity Politics/tribalism is their forte.


Quote:
Woke being a word from the looney SJW left that has been used against them to point a finger at their own biases, discrimination & racism


Does not do any of these things. Genuine criticisms would be significantly more effective.

the right wing woke argument is mostly used when the facts are weak or non existent - it is a give away that they have nothing.


Just as those who throw the race card, the 'phobe card, the bigot, the racist card, the misogynist card et al. ?


See if you can find a topic or two based on Bolts rather dubious racial dogma ?


Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.
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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #47 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...
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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #48 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...

Anal'K will never actually identify the 'dubious'. Like turd, Bbwian et al, he will merely assert it and put his hand out for the 10 rupees like an entitled buftie.



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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #49 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...


Oh, a couple of academics disagreed with Pascoe. Bold said, you see? I told you so.

He then kept krapping on about Pascoe not being a real Boong, how very dare they, etc, etc, etc.

You wouldn't have noticed it. It was buried in a thread where, for the past three months, you've been telling us how wrong Pascoe is.

And you're still asking me to provide your proof.

Cunning, no?

Feel free to disagree, dear.
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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #50 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:34pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...


Oh, a couple of academics disagreed with Pascoe. Bold said, you see? I told you so.

He then kept krapping on about Pascoe not being a real Boong, how very dare they, etc, etc, etc.

You wouldn't have noticed it. It was buried in a thread where, for the past three months, you've been telling us how wrong Pascoe is.

And you're still asking me to provide your proof.

Cunning, no?

Feel free to disagree, dear.


Ah, so it seems your whole prob is with Quote:
Bold(sic) said, you see? I told you so.

Is that correct? Is that what stuck in your craw? Not science being nullified? Not the word "fact" having any meaning?
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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #51 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...

Anal'K will never actually identify the 'dubious'. Like turd, Bbwian et al, he will merely assert it and put his hand out for the 10 rupees like an entitled buftie.





Rupees are a sub-continental currency, old chap. Why would I be asking for that?

You're not trying to claim I'm tinted, are you? And, as a result, inferior?

Kind of provides the premise for your feigned rebuttals, doesn't it?

You poor, victimised racist, you.

So unfair. No one has the right to be not offended, ja?
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Reply #52 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:36pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:34pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...


Oh, a couple of academics disagreed with Pascoe. Bold said, you see? I told you so.

He then kept krapping on about Pascoe not being a real Boong, how very dare they, etc, etc, etc.

You wouldn't have noticed it. It was buried in a thread where, for the past three months, you've been telling us how wrong Pascoe is.

And you're still asking me to provide your proof.

Cunning, no?

Feel free to disagree, dear.


Ah, so it seems your whole prob is with Quote:
Bold(sic) said, you see? I told you so.

Is that correct?


Feel free to elaborate, dear. I'm all ears.
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Reply #53 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...

Anal'K will never actually identify the 'dubious'. Like turd, Bbwian et al, he will merely assert it and put his hand out for the 10 rupees like an entitled buftie.





Rupees are a sub-continental currency, old chap. Why would I be asking for that?
Coin collector?

You're not trying to claim I'm tinted, are you? And, as a result, inferior?
A coin is a coin!

Kind of provides the premise for your feigned rebuttals, doesn't it?
Now you are reaching but that does not justifying the conclusions you come to.

You poor, victimised racist, you.

So unfair. No one has the right to be not offended, ja?

Ah, full circle.
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Re: How woke are the woke,, that is the question
Reply #54 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...


Oh, a couple of academics disagreed with Pascoe. Bold said, you see? I told you so.

He then kept krapping on about Pascoe not being a real Boong, how very dare they, etc, etc, etc.

You wouldn't have noticed it. It was buried in a thread where, for the past three months, you've been telling us how wrong Pascoe is.

And you're still asking me to provide your proof.

Cunning, no?

Feel free to disagree, dear.




Talking but not saying anything.   Pascoe is Cornwall, not Koorie. His book is Bbwianesque. 

You are hanging on to a politicised lie, buftie.   

To my mind the Sutton Walshe criticism of Pascoe about ignoring the spiritual difference of Aboriginal way of looking and the complete absence of linguistic evidence to support Pascoe among oral tradition people is definitive.

You and Bbwian are just recalcitrant idiots who will not see shite no matter how long your faces are ground into it.

Reading Sutton and Walshe's demolishing of Pascoe has made me appreciate  the Aboriginal  way of looking and seeing much more.
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Reply #55 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:49pm
 
Just a couple of seriously qualified academics vs unqualified lying Pascoe

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Here it is again,

OK;

After considerable reading of subject matter from several Qualified and Accredited academics.
There is nothing at all to back up Pascoes lies about Farming or cities of aboriginals pre-colonization.

Dr Christopher Lloyd , Emeritus Professor of Economic History in School of Business, University of New England, Armidale
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.

There were areas of partially sedentary material culture where food sources were abundant, such as some river valleys and coastlines. There were, however, no permanent dwellings, no real villages and very few possessions.
Nomadic foraging was by far the dominant socioeconomic system.
As with foragers elsewhere, however, here there was a wide variety of activity, dependent to a large degree on the environment in which people lived.

Aboriginal people did a great deal to mould the landscape to their needs by, for example, firestick farming to improve grasslands for grazing animals, building fish traps in shallow riverbeds and coastal zones or building canoes for hunting marine mammals and fish. There was much local specialisation in food production depending on natural conditions, and the manufacture of tools was a matter of local specialisation—again, depending on resources.
Trade of tools and special materials with neighbouring peoples and over long distances across many language boundaries has been well studied (see Butlin 1993; Keen 2004). It seems clear that there was a continent-wide system of cultural diffusion and trading networks.   



Furthemore;
Dr Ian Keen is Honorary Associate Professor, School of Archaeology and Anthropology, College Arts & Social Sciences at the Australia National University in Canberra. His distinguished academic career spans more than forty years.

Historian Professor Geoffrey Blainey

Academic, who specialised in covering research in history, anthropology and botany, Bill Gammage, in his 2011 book, The Biggest Estate on Earth.

Rhys Jones (archaeologist)

All of the above have stated professionally that Australian Aboriginals were not and have never been true farmers.
They use the term "Firestick" farming (setting fire to control growth).
Which was probably misinterpreted by the semi-literate lazy researcher Pascoe as farming in an agricultural term.

All state that Aborigines never lived in cities or even villages, but may have lived in collectives where food sources were plentyful.
And that housing structures did not nor ever have existed.

The "fish traps" so revered in myth and lore were the result of natural phenomenon and some opportunistic placement of rocks to make traps.
Not unheard of in primitive people and certainly not indicative of an established farming and coordinated enterprise.

Again;
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Australian Aborigines were foragers or hunter/gatherers before European colonisation.
Neither agriculture in the sense of settled communities of cultivators nor pastoralism in the sense of settled or nomadic groups with domestic animals existed in Australia.   


My conclusion, which will be refuted by Pascoe's worshipers, is that Australian Aborigines were nothing more than Primitive hunter gatherers.
Sure, some took advantage of some natural elements and< as they do, Loved setting fires.

But there is not one shred of true evidence that agriculture, aquaculture or building is/or has been found to date.

Finally;
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To amateurs like us, all this controversy over how to define the economies of pre-colonial Aboriginal societies just sounds like semantics.
Aboriginal people were quite happy with their lives as very skilled and successful hunter gatherers.
If 250 years later, politically motivated academics and activists want to engage in world play by calling Aboriginal people farmers, living in settled stone villages of 1000 people, so be it.
It won’t make any difference to the Aboriginal Sovereignty argument - When the British colonised New South Wales in 1788 they legally ‘settled’ here amongst nomadic, native hunter gatherers. It was not a  ‘conquest’ or ‘cession’ of settled farmers who had a recognisable social government, as understood by the legal definitions of the time, so no Treaty was required.

Academics can write as many papers as they like with ‘Farming’ in the title such as, ‘Food-getting, Domestication and Farming in Pre-colonial Australia’ and then have to admit that, ‘This paper argues that Australian Aboriginal economies do conform to the “complex” hunter gatherer archetype’. (ibid. p116). Which is what all us amateurs already know - Aboriginal people were brilliant and successful hunter gatherers and fishers with many complex tools and practices. They were not farmers.
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Reply #56 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 8:01pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:49pm:
Academics can write as many papers as they like with ‘Farming’ in the title such as, ‘Food-getting, Domestication and Farming in Pre-colonial Australia’ and then have to admit that, ‘This paper argues that Australian Aboriginal economies do conform to the “complex” hunter gatherer archetype’. (ibid. p116). Which is what all us amateurs already know - Aboriginal people were brilliant and successful hunter gatherers and fishers with many complex tools and practices. They were not farmers.
Dr Ian Keen


You know you can read all about Aboriginal Hunter gatherers in many Books on the subject over many decades.

Then you can then turn the page and read about Aboriginals use of fire as a farming technique - No - remember that bit ?
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Reply #57 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 8:35pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...

Anal'K will never actually identify the 'dubious'. Like turd, Bbwian et al, he will merely assert it and put his hand out for the 10 rupees like an entitled buftie.





Rupees are a sub-continental currency, old chap. Why would I be asking for that?
Coin collector?

You're not trying to claim I'm tinted, are you? And, as a result, inferior?
A coin is a coin!

Kind of provides the premise for your feigned rebuttals, doesn't it?
Now you are reaching but that does not justifying the conclusions you come to.

You poor, victimised racist, you.

So unfair. No one has the right to be not offended, ja?

Ah, full circle.


Rupees are not a race, no?

Cunning. The old boy won't say, so let's ask you.

Is Fwank a naughty old wacist?
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Reply #58 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 8:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...


Oh, a couple of academics disagreed with Pascoe. Bold said, you see? I told you so.

He then kept krapping on about Pascoe not being a real Boong, how very dare they, etc, etc, etc.

You wouldn't have noticed it. It was buried in a thread where, for the past three months, you've been telling us how wrong Pascoe is.

And you're still asking me to provide your proof.

Cunning, no?

Feel free to disagree, dear.




Talking but not saying anything.   Pascoe is Cornwall, not Koorie. His book is Bbwianesque. 

You are hanging on to a politicised lie, buftie.   

To my mind the Sutton Walshe criticism of Pascoe about ignoring the spiritual difference of Aboriginal way of looking and the complete absence of linguistic evidence to support Pascoe among oral tradition people is definitive.

You and Bbwian are just recalcitrant idiots who will not see shite no matter how long your faces are ground into it.

Reading Sutton and Walshe's demolishing of Pascoe has made me appreciate  the Aboriginal  way of looking and seeing much more. 


Oh, how un-racist of you.

You've read their book, eh?

Tendenious, mendacious, yeah-but-no-but tut-tuts ( Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes ) Offer me a banana, old boy, you know you want to.
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Reply #59 - Jun 27th, 2021 at 10:09pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 8:39pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 7:26pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 27th, 2021 at 4:25pm:
Strange. It's getting hard to find a thread here that's not filled with Bolt's rather dubious racial dogma.

Even when Matty found some evidence against Pascoe's claims, he ignored it, preferring to post Bolt, a gen-u-wine convicted wacist, saying I told you so.


How so?  I never watch or listen to those kinds anyway, so I have no idea what their stance is... so lay it out for us...


Oh, a couple of academics disagreed with Pascoe. Bold said, you see? I told you so.

He then kept krapping on about Pascoe not being a real Boong, how very dare they, etc, etc, etc.

You wouldn't have noticed it. It was buried in a thread where, for the past three months, you've been telling us how wrong Pascoe is.

And you're still asking me to provide your proof.

Cunning, no?

Feel free to disagree, dear.




Talking but not saying anything.   Pascoe is Cornwall, not Koorie. His book is Bbwianesque. 

You are hanging on to a politicised lie, buftie.   

To my mind the Sutton Walshe criticism of Pascoe about ignoring the spiritual difference of Aboriginal way of looking and the complete absence of linguistic evidence to support Pascoe among oral tradition people is definitive.

You and Bbwian are just recalcitrant idiots who will not see shite no matter how long your faces are ground into it.

Reading Sutton and Walshe's demolishing of Pascoe has made me appreciate  the Aboriginal  way of looking and seeing much more. 


Oh, how un-racist of you.

You've read their book, eh?

Tendenious, mendacious, yeah-but-no-but tut-tuts ( Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes ) Offer me a banana, old boy, you know you want to.

You are gesticulating but not saying anything, as usual. Bbwianwsque. 

All of yould rather die than speak plainly. It IS all eyerolling hinty yawny  slippin' and slidin'. All ' I'm  curious, you'  cowardice. All you mongs ever want is gotcha without ever hoestly saying where y oi u stand, fearing exactly your own gotcha treatment.

Bad faith, paired with stupidity.

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