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https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/06/japan-awakens/

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 2:54pm:

Sadly, the Germans are having a problem coming to terms with their historical duty to confront totalitarianism anywhere.

Not that they're sympathetic to the autocratic cause; I think they're still unsure of their right to moral noble-mindedness; that maybe they're not sure if enough time has passed since the holocaust.

I hate to burst all of your bubbles, but you all have to face up the reality.

The QUAD - USA, Japan, India and us Australia...   China is the top trading partner of all of the QUAD countries. 

I am sorry... but... all of this... 'drums of war...', they are just for domestic consumption.   You have to follow the money... this is where all the powers lie.

https://www.worldstopexports.com/japans-top-import-partners/

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/economy-politics/story/boycott-china-flops-mainland-china-overtakes-us-to-become-indias-largest-trade-partner-in-fy21-300020-2021-06-29

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2021/02/25/china-is-no-1-trade-partner-again-thanks-to-wait-for-it-us-exports/?sh=6ce6d985a262

And I dont think... the world is weaning off China...  Its China... trying to wean off Australia... and the QUAD allies are filling the spaces where we left.   

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 10:58pm:


I am not sure... but I think.. our government's message is a bit conflicting.  I mean, basically we said to the Chinese, we are not happy with you  X Y and Z.  And we've got your pulse in our purse - namely the mines.  The Chinese turn around and said, okay.. fine.. lets... start decoupling as your media have suggested - like Newscorp... which... most people here on the forum, and most of the coalition voters believe is the mouthpiece of our government. 

Of course, then... when it happened... we then take them to WTO for unfair trading, at the same time, our media yelling we NEED to decouple NOW. 

So, they are like OKAY... we are trying.

And then the US and European countries... 'Oh by the way... we do happen to have some beef... seafood... cheese barley and wines too if you are short.... 

And of course... India... after having some... let say disagreement with China over McMahon line... did this....

https://www.theweek.in/news/biz-tech/2020/09/21/india-turns-net-exporter-of-steel-to-china-for-the-first-time-in-years.html

Of course, they DO know that China is building a third aircraft carrier.   

Anyway... my point is Grappler... we need to look past what is available to us in terms of domestic version of international affairs.

And lastly... why is everyone worried about China invading Australia ? For what?  Iron ore? They are buying tons of them very year.  If we stop selling them, they will just buy from a third country. Abit it would be probably 10 to 20% more expensive.  But can you imagine the the logistic of preparing an invasion force of such a scale - that it stretches 2 continents, across many different countries.  As you said.. the Japanese couldnt do it.  The Germans couldnt do it with Africa.  The Russians couldnt do it, and the USA couldnt do it even with places like Afghanistan and Iraq.   What made you think the Chinese are foolish enough to try something as fruitless as this?    And plus if they divert enough troops, their borders wont be as secure.   And to top it all off... they cant even invade Taiwan. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2021 at 11:13pm:

A third country eh wumao? Like where? Argentina with its destroyed iron ore mining operation and battling the virus that China gave the world? From African states without the capacity to supply iron ore?

The Chinese regime's intended to cripple Australia's economy only to realise it had no choice but to buy iron ore from Australia.

By the time any other nation is capable of providing China with the iron ore it needs, the regime will have collapsed.

All this '1.4 billion on our side' is garbage and is reminiscent of Hitler's obsession with the resilience of the German people to fight and win all wars on all fronts.

Communist party members total only 7% of the Chinese population and the other 93% have never been tested by elections on their willingness to support the regime.

tickleandrose wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 9:09am:

Taught to think critically eh, wumao? Like China's lost generation during the cultural revolution?

You didn't google wumao and found nothing did you, wumao... It's a regime thing to get the wumao to lie like children.

Jiang Zemin and Zhu Rongji likely boycotted the event because they oppose Xi Jinping.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2021 at 9:03am:


If you bother to read the articles that I have posted, then you will find that there are heaps.  But to be relevant, lets stay within the QUAD countries.   

Iron ore is used mainly to turn it into Steel for construction and manufacturing.  So... as such... India increased its steel export to China in 2020 on the back of high iron ore prices - as a way to ease China's dependence on Australian iron ore. 

On another front...: India, Indonesia benefit as China's ban on Australian coal reshapes trade flows - seen in this article. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/coal-trade-idUSKBN2BV1GN

So.. the reality is that, my original view stands. 

And finally, a third country does not have to be the primary producing country.  It could be a transit country - like perhaps: Singapore, Japan, Malaysia, or even Taiwan.  If the price and market is right, they will establish third party companies to buy and store Australian Iron, and then on-sell them to China.   These can be done really easily without invasion.