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Reply #90 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:40pm

The most knowledgeable of the Nazis would have spoken of all kinds of propaganda to fuel their aims for Germany. But, they would have kept a secret about what they did with the war and the concentration camps. Secrecy was what won the war for the Allies and kept the war prolonged for the Germans. When the British cracked the Enigma code, they had to decide what to go after and what not to protect, so as not to alert the Germans about the discovery. I would imagine that the secrecy of coded messages also included secrecy about the way the Germans conducted the war and the slavery at the concentration camps.

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Reply #91 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:47pm

lee wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:36pm:

The Gestapo often lived undercover and asked these types of questions. The results were often fatal if the "wrong" answer was given.

True... But informants were everywhere... And the stereotypical Gestapo officer was chosen (among other things) for his height and physical presence. As one German from a clip I watched recalled: the Gestapo officers who came to question him as a teenager about anti-regime activities, 'Would have been close to 2 metres tall and had hands the size of toilet seats'.

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Reply #92 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:54pm

In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall.

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Reply #93 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:55pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:40pm:

The most knowledgeable of the Nazis would have spoken of all kinds of propaganda to fuel their aims for Germany. But, they would have kept a secret about what they did with the war and the concentration camps. Secrecy was what won the war for the Allies and kept the war prolonged for the Germans. When the British cracked the Enigma code, they had to decide what to go after and what not to protect, so as not to alert the Germans about the discovery. I would imagine that the secrecy of coded messages also included secrecy about the way the Germans conducted the war and the slavery at the concentration camps.

We can keep going on like this, but by 1942-43 no allied leader was in doubt about what was actually happening in the concentration camps.

It is to the eternal shame of the Allied leaders that they did nothing, before it all started, to take in European Jews nor did they do much to stop the clockwork precision of train schedules to the camps.

No nation among the Allies wanted a large Jewish immigration explosion if they could help it.

And look at Xinjiang... What is world doing about it? Has much changed?

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Reply #94 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:57pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:54pm:

In the 1940s, if you were 6ft tall, you would have been considered a giant. The average height of men back then was about 170cm tall. Someone 2 metres tall would have been massive in any timeline. But, in the 1940s, you would probably only rarely see anyone over 195cm tall. The NBA today might have players who are an average height of 195cm tall. But, the Gestapo would not find many people of any employment to be over 2 metres tall.

Yes... I'd say the old man interviewed remembered it the way any teenager might.

Suffice it to say that Gestapo officers were seriously dangerous looking bastards.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’ Reply #95 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:58pm Other posters have mentioned how upon the freeing of the camps, the Allied soldiers were not sure what had been happening. Are you saying that by 1945, Allied soldiers had forgotten what they were told by their leaders about these camps?
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Reply #96 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:02pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:58pm:

Other posters have mentioned how upon the freeing of the camps, the Allied soldiers were not sure what had been happening. Are you saying that by 1945, Allied soldiers had forgotten what they were told by their leaders about these camps?

That's the thing... The Allied soldiers did not have any idea of the enormity of the crime...

Even the ones who were warned were not prepared for what it actually looked like... In the context of the times, it must have looked worse than a medieval depiction of hell.

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Reply #97 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:03pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:55pm:

And look at Xinjiang... What is world doing about it? Has much changed?

This might be China's Nazi moment. Ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Committing sterilisation of people so that they do not rise up against a declining Chinese populace. What can the world do about it? If China was that weak and could be easily overcome militarily and economically, something might be done about it. But, seeing that Muslims are not the most favoured religious group in the world at the moment, I doubt that anyone really cares to go save them. It would take the Saudis to go "Oh my Allah! Do something Satanist Americans! Or no oil for you!" before the United States crapped themselves and went about taking on China.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’ Reply #98 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:05pm I was going to read my entire collection of Game of Thrones before I got back to reading up on the Nazis and WW2 books that I have in a comprehensive bookshelf. But, you sure are inspiring me to put reading about Cersei and her deviancy on hold for a while.
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Reply #99 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:07pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:55pm:

And look at Xinjiang... What is world doing about it? Has much changed?

This might be China's Nazi moment. Ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Committing sterilisation of people so that they do not rise up against a declining Chinese populace. What can the world do about it? If China was that weak and could be easily overcome militarily and economically, something might be done about it. But, seeing that Muslims are not the most favoured religious group in the world at the moment, I doubt that anyone really cares to go save them. It would take the Saudis to go "Oh my Allah! Do something Satanist Americans! Or no oil for you!" before the United States crapped themselves and went about taking on China.

Yes... The rebirth of East Turkestan (Xinjiang) is a whole other thing.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Hitler ‘did a lot of good things’ Reply #100 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 4:58pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:33pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:07pm: What good things did he do ? Hitler lead Germany to reinvigorate the German economy back to a good standard and well ahead of other European powers. yes, he did too. Thank you for answering a question.
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Reply #101 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:44pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 4:12am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 7:46am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too ....

That's likely true...

When vegan Indians moved to Europe, they soon began to suffer vitamin B12 deficiency (which we get largely from meat).

The likely reason? When vegan Hindus ate vegetables in India, they were also consuming small insects, enough to ingest B12 in small doses (which is all humans need). Once in Europe, the higher standards of cleaning vegetables significantly reduced the quantity of insects unknowingly eaten.

b12 is in lettuce

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And dairy products which Hindus consume.

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Reply #102 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:48pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 4:12am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2021 at 7:46am:

AiA wrote on Jul 8^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

I know a devout Hindu whose wife told my wife that he eats meat at home in private. Vegetarians are human too ....

That's likely true...

When vegan Indians moved to Europe, they soon began to suffer vitamin B12 deficiency (which we get largely from meat).

The likely reason? When vegan Hindus ate vegetables in India, they were also consuming small insects, enough to ingest B12 in small doses (which is all humans need). Once in Europe, the higher standards of cleaning vegetables significantly reduced the quantity of insects unknowingly eaten.

b12 is in lettuce

Spot

And dairy products which Hindus consume.

Which Hindus consume diary and under what circumstances?

BTW, lettuce has no B12

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Reply #103 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:53pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 7:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:56am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps...

They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich.

Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich.

Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they.

After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned.

They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

whats changed?

the germans of 1939 are IDENTICAL to you.
identical.

you only have to look at this forum to see the hatred that seeps from peoples fingers as they type.

if you could be a camp gaurd with Xi as your prisoner, you would enjoy giving him a good stomping. you'd enjoy it the way 1/2 the lefties on here would enjoy having trump in auschwitz with themselves playing the role of camp gaurd Roll Eyes

Well... Gee... Aquascoot... (once again, where to start and end?)

Your psychosexual obsession with Xi is identical to many Germans regarding Hitler, up to and including Joseph Goebbels.

But your post reminds me; I'd better check on all the innocent foreign citizens and journalists I've detained in the back shed... I haven't fed them fetid slop for 3 days now... Hope they're OK.

This 'leader', over whom you are shedding baby-tears, is responsible for having detained, in black prisons with no charge, (some for years), innocent foreigners and journalists. Most will either not survive or be permanently injured if they ever do get out... And those are the ones who have not been outright murdered. Nobody knows where they are, nor their condition nor the charges over which they've been detained, as they're denied access to anyone including lawyers, family, friends or their respective embassies.

This 'leader' takes innocent foreigners as hostages when his hyper-paranoia is running steel-clad-booted through his head.

This 'leader' is the one who has now admitted that sanctions on Australia, your country (allegedly), were intended to crush us economically for proposing that an independent, free and thorough investigation of the origins of the virus be initiated. (it's likely an indication that Australian intelligence services know more about the virus origins than has been publicised and the Chinese regime knows it).

Hitler, much?

And another thing... Your twisted obsession with your self-created 'ugly-Australian' stereotypes 'Steve' and 'Janine'... What would you have done to them? (and don't answer that if you can't be honest with yourself).

and yet there you sit on your chinese chair in your chinese clothes posting on your chinese phone.
probably made in these camps where the workers are brutalised.

you are financially contributing to the CCP

have you no shame

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Reply #104 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 6:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 7:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 5:56am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 8:48pm:

Of course they were fighting for the Fatherland but they also knew what was happening in those camps...

They approved of the internment of Jews, Gypsies, political dissidents, (later) Italian partisans, Russian soldiers and traitors from their communities into camps. They'd been indoctrinated, by the later years of the war, that these untermenschen weakened the Reich.

Particularly the Jews. They were the cause of the loss of WW1 as a fifth column, they controlled the economy to the detriment of the German people. They were the cause of the collapse of the German and European economies during the great depression. They were the instigators and promoters of communism (Karl Marx, Trotsky being Jews). That was part of the fabric of the Third Reich.

Can you do things and have knowledge of other things at the same time? Yes? So could they.

After the war, it became a serious problem to have known about any of it, particularly where the Russians were concerned.

They only discussed it, if at all, when they were with other Germans or Austrians who also had been through it.

whats changed?

the germans of 1939 are IDENTICAL to you.
identical.

you only have to look at this forum to see the hatred that seeps from peoples fingers as they type.

if you could be a camp gaurd with Xi as your prisoner, you would enjoy giving him a good stomping. you'd enjoy it the way 1/2 the lefties on here would enjoy having trump in auschwitz with themselves playing the role of camp gaurd Roll Eyes

Well... Gee... Aquascoot... (once again, where to start and end?)

Your psychosexual obsession with Xi is identical to many Germans regarding Hitler, up to and including Joseph Goebbels.

But your post reminds me; I'd better check on all the innocent foreign citizens and journalists I've detained in the back shed... I haven't fed them fetid slop for 3 days now... Hope they're OK.

This 'leader', over whom you are shedding baby-tears, is responsible for having detained, in black prisons with no charge, (some for years), innocent foreigners and journalists. Most will either not survive or be permanently injured if they ever do get out... And those are the ones who have not been outright murdered. Nobody knows where they are, nor their condition nor the charges over which they've been detained, as they're denied access to anyone including lawyers, family, friends or their respective embassies.

This 'leader' takes innocent foreigners as hostages when his hyper-paranoia is running steel-clad-booted through his head.

This 'leader' is the one who has now admitted that sanctions on Australia, your country (allegedly), were intended to crush us economically for proposing that an independent, free and thorough investigation of the origins of the virus be initiated. (it's likely an indication that Australian intelligence services know more about the virus origins than has been publicised and the Chinese regime knows it).

Hitler, much?

And another thing... Your twisted obsession with your self-created 'ugly-Australian' stereotypes 'Steve' and 'Janine'... What would you have done to them? (and don't answer that if you can't be honest with yourself).

and yet there you sit on your chinese chair in your chinese clothes posting on your chinese phone.

financially contributing to the CCP

probably made in these camps where the workers are brutalised.

have you no shame

Ha, ha.. Do you think it's that hard to smell a wumao fart?

I agree. We must decommit from the Chinese regime's economy...

Containment and compression into collapse is the best strategy and we should do our part.

Next time your wumao handlers contact you, ask them how they explain Japan and South Korea...

Maybe ask them why and how they covertly support North Korea when the regime agreed not to support North Korea to join the WTO...

Maybe ask them how the regime protects a thriving black market from muesli for Pyongyang and methamphetamine into China for world distribution (at least in pre-virus times).

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