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Reply #120 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:34pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:33pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:31pm:

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

How many in Charlottesville voted against the removal of the statue?

The City Council voted. All voted for the removal. Of course that doesn't mean a majority of ratepayers in the city agreed. Wink

So you don't know how many would have voted either way.

No I don't and neither do you. Why did you bring it up in the first place? Grin

It was a response to another poster (see thread above for context).

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Reply #121 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:36pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:32pm:

The statue in question has been removed to a museum so it cannot be vandalised or used by white supremacists as a staging point for anarchy....The statue has not been destroyed and is in a better place to be preserved!!!

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Well, yes... Which was more than what was done for the statue of George III in New York.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17920 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #122 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:36pm philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:32pm: The statue in question has been removed to a museum so it cannot be vandalised or used by white supremacists as a staging point for anarchy. Yes we wouldn't want African American's or those of the left to vandalise them.
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Reply #123 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

But if the culture in which they belong deems that they should be torn down because they, say, represent something more than just a memorial to the past but also cause a significant negative response within their respective communities, I can understand why they'd decide to tear them down.

You mean this? How did you determine it was a "significant negative response within their respective communities". They were loud, they were heard - It doesn't make it significant.

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Reply #124 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:32pm:

The statue in question has been removed to a museum so it cannot be vandalised or used by white supremacists as a staging point for anarchy....The statue has not been destroyed and is in a better place to be preserved!!!

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Well, yes... Which was more than what was done for the statue of George III in New York.

I fail to see what the problem is with putting the statue in a museum....The statue in question is controversial because of what it represents....Racists and rednecks have been triggered???

Huh

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17920 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #125 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:45pm philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm: The statue in question is controversial because of what it represents.. What does it represent phil? Other than its original intent of honour?
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Reply #126 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:45pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:32pm:

The statue in question has been removed to a museum so it cannot be vandalised or used by white supremacists as a staging point for anarchy....The statue has not been destroyed and is in a better place to be preserved!!!

Roll Eyes

Well, yes... Which was more than what was done for the statue of George III in New York.

I fail to see what the problem is with putting the statue in a museum....The statue in question is controversial because of what it represents....Racists and rednecks have been triggered???

Huh

Yes. Iconoclasm is universal in human society... In earlier times they would have been smashed or melted down... Now, at least, they're putting the icons in museums.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #127 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:49pm And anyone who wants to weep at the feet of Robert E Lee for 'the lost cause' can still do it at his tomb.
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Reply #128 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:54pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

But if the culture in which they belong deems that they should be torn down because they, say, represent something more than just a memorial to the past but also cause a significant negative response within their respective communities, I can understand why they'd decide to tear them down.

You mean this? How did you determine it was a "significant negative response within their respective communities". They were loud, they were heard - It doesn't make it significant.

Well, it was significant enough to cause the removal of a symbol and make world news.

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Reply #129 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:09pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:32pm:

The statue in question has been removed to a museum so it cannot be vandalised or used by white supremacists as a staging point for anarchy....The statue has not been destroyed and is in a better place to be preserved!!!

Roll Eyes

Well, yes... Which was more than what was done for the statue of George III in New York.

I fail to see what the problem is with putting the statue in a museum....The statue in question is controversial because of what it represents....Racists and rednecks have been triggered???

Huh

Yes. Iconoclasm is universal in human society... In earlier times they would have been smashed or melted down... Now, at least, they're putting the icons in museums.

A site has not been named yet but a Museum or Gallery is the likely destination....Either way it is better than destroying history???

Huh

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Reply #130 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:10pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

The statue in question is controversial because of what it represents..

What does it represent phil? Other than its original intent of honour?

" ... the sin of being willing to destroy Black people for economic gain."

As long as the statues "remain standing in our downtown public spaces, they signal that our community tolerated white supremacy and the lost cause these generals fought for."

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Reply #131 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:10pm:

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:

The statue in question is controversial because of what it represents..

What does it represent phil? Other than its original intent of honour?

" ... the sin of being willing to destroy Black people for economic gain."

As long as the statues "remain standing in our downtown public spaces, they signal that our community tolerated white supremacy and the lost cause these generals fought for."

Which some dickheads believe represents honour???

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17920 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #132 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:12pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Well, it was significant enough to cause the removal of a symbol and make world news. Was the fact that it was significant? Or the fact that it made world news made it significant?
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Reply #133 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:10pm:

" ... the sin of being willing to destroy Black people for economic gain."

Really? Where did they write that? At the foot of the statue? Or is it just present justification?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:10pm:

As long as the statues "remain standing in our downtown public spaces, they signal that our community tolerated white supremacy and the lost cause these generals fought for."

But the community never got a vote. So how did they know that? On the voices only? The "Loud and Proud'? Roll Eyes

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Reply #134 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:44pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:12pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:54pm:

Well, it was significant enough to cause the removal of a symbol and make world news.

Was the fact that it was significant? Or the fact that it made world news made it significant? Wink

It would have not worked had it not been significant to us...

Do you think a report on the tearing down of the statue of a rebel monk from Bhutan would have been of any interest to most Australians?

The only question to ask is: why is Robert E Lee's effigy so significant to us?

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