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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138471 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #135 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:47pm lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:10pm: " ... the sin of being willing to destroy Black people for economic gain." Really? ... Yes.
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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5446 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #136 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:53pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm: ] How many in Charlottesville voted against the removal of the statue? Were the people given a vote?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #137 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:55pm Belgarion wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:53pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm: ] How many in Charlottesville voted against the removal of the statue? Were the people given a vote? I'm asking you.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17917 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #138 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 4:17pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:47pm: lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 1:10pm: " ... the sin of being willing to destroy Black people for economic gain." Really? ... Yes. And the rest petal? Don't want to answer?
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Reply #139 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 4:45pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

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How many in Charlottesville voted against the removal of the statue?

Were the people given a vote?

I'm asking you.

Not how this works. You prove to me that there was a popular vote and that the majority voted to remove this statue. I'm sure you must have sources to back this up?

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Reply #140 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 4:51pm

Belgarion wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 4:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:55pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 3:53pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

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How many in Charlottesville voted against the removal of the statue?

Were the people given a vote?

I'm asking you.

Not how this works. You prove to me that there was a popular vote and that the majority voted to remove this statue. I'm sure you must have sources to back this up?

Exactly how it works...

You suggested it was an 'unrepresentative but noisy minority' who carried the day.

How do you know that?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17917 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #141 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:00pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 4:51pm: You suggested it was an 'unrepresentative but noisy minority' who carried the day. How do you know that? Poor petal. As I wrote earlier it was a City Council decision. The was no public vote.
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Reply #142 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:02pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 4:51pm:

You suggested it was an 'unrepresentative but noisy minority' who carried the day.

How do you know that?

Poor petal. As I wrote earlier it was a City Council decision. The was no public vote.

Ahh, the homoerotic element. Are you nearing 70?

Yes, a council decision. Is the council a manifestation of democratic process?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17917 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #143 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:06pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:02pm: Is the council a manifestation of democratic process? Does it have its limits? Or is anything a Council decides sacrosanct?
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Reply #144 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:11pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

Is the council a manifestation of democratic process?

Does it have its limits? Or is anything a Council decides sacrosanct? Roll Eyes

If the council exceeded its lawful limits, don't you think, over years, the opposition to the proposal could not have raised that?

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Reply #145 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

Is the council a manifestation of democratic process?

Does it have its limits? Or is anything a Council decides sacrosanct? Roll Eyes

If the council exceeded its lawful limits, don't you think, over years, the opposition to the proposal could not have raised that?

Edit: "The push to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee has been around for years. The most recent call came in 2016, when high school student Zyahna Bryant started a petition. When Charlottesville city council voted to remove the monument, they were quickly slapped with a lawsuit and forced to put the project on hold."

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/american-civil-war/statue-of-confederate-genera...

You mean like this? Wink

So because there were some noises about removing one they decided on three? Grin

But as I said not a public vote so no one knows what the general public think.

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Reply #146 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:23pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:11pm:

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:02pm:

Is the council a manifestation of democratic process?

Does it have its limits? Or is anything a Council decides sacrosanct? Roll Eyes

If the council exceeded its lawful limits, don't you think, over years, the opposition to the proposal could not have raised that?

So because there were some noises about removing one they decided on three? Grin

But as I said not a public vote so no one knows what the general public think.

Then the people of Charlottesville can vote in, at the next council elections, those candidates who pledge to revoke the orders of the former administration.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17917 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #147 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:25pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:23pm: Then the people of Charlottesville can vote in, at the next council elections, those candidates who pledge to revoke the orders of the former administration. But that is not what you have been arguing. BTW - The Council has 5 members. So 5 people voted to remove the statues.
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Reply #148 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:30pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:23pm:

Then the people of Charlottesville can vote in, at the next council elections, those candidates who pledge to revoke the orders of the former administration.

But that is not what you have been arguing. Wink

I said that Lee wouldn't have approved of his effigy honoured.

As I'm not a southern American, not a Virginian, not American, how the people of Charlottesville vote one way or another doesn't affect me any more than if another statue of Lenin was taken down from a city in the former USSR.

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Reply #149 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:33pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 5:30pm:

As I'm not a southern American, not a Virginian, not American, how the people of Charlottesville vote one way or another doesn't affect me any more than if another statue of Lenin was taken down from a city in the former USSR.

And yet you argue so passionately.

BTW - 5 members of Council - so 5 people voted. Just to answer your previous question. Wink

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