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Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 9:14am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 6:38am:

What a terrible thing to do to remove the history of a place.

The library is still open, and they still have books.

Remember those - books?

You don't need a statue to teach you history, Booby.

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https://hestia.jmrl.org/findit/Record/1011141

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 10:48am The history of the American South is 400+ years. The Confederacy lasted 4 years. Is 1000+ years of German history represented by the Nazis?
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Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 10:49am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

What has erecting a statue to a Civil War general got to do with 'Jim Crow laws'?

How exactly does a statue go about oppressing people?

I can answer that: the history of the Confederacy was re-written by a once powerful lobby called "Daughters of the Confederacy" and they, by and large, erected those statues.

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Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:18am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 6:38am:

What a terrible thing to do to remove the history of a place.

It reminds me of the Taliban and ISIS
destroying Buddhist statues.

'I think it's wiser not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavour to obliterate the marks of civil strife; to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered'.

Removing the statue of Robert E Lee is in no way the same as the destruction of buddhist statues.

This guy (as an American from the south) explains it best:

That guy can virtue signal as much as he wants to -
it's still destroying the history and soul of a city and a country.

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Reply #19 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:28am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:18am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 6:38am:

What a terrible thing to do to remove the history of a place.

It reminds me of the Taliban and ISIS
destroying Buddhist statues.

'I think it's wiser not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavour to obliterate the marks of civil strife; to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered'.

Removing the statue of Robert E Lee is in no way the same as the destruction of buddhist statues.

This guy (as an American from the south) explains it best:

That guy can virtue signal as much as he wants to -
it's still destroying the history and soul of a city and a country.

Maybe it's not him virtue-signalling as it is your assuming American culture and sensibilities is world culture and, by that, part of Australian culture.

It's a common problem in the Anglophonic new world - The presumption that all American social issues are ours as well.

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #20 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:35am Richmond’s Confederate Monuments Were Used to Sell a Segregated Neighborhood Real-estate developers used the statues on Monument Avenue to draw white buyers to a neighborhood where houses could not be sold “to any person of African descent.” https://archive.is/NDNl1#selection-697.0-706.0
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Reply #21 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:40am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:28am:

Maybe it's not him virtue-signalling as it is your assuming American culture and sensibilities is world culture and, by that, part of Australian culture.

It's a common problem in the Anglophonic new world - The presumption that all American social issues are ours as well.

Next thing those woke poofters will tear down all
our statues including Captain Cook.

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Reply #22 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:44am

AiA wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:35am:

Richmond’s Confederate Monuments Were Used to Sell a Segregated Neighborhood

Real-estate developers used the statues on Monument Avenue to draw white buyers to a neighborhood where houses could not be sold “to any person of African descent.”

https://archive.is/NDNl1#selection-697.0-706.0

A good example of where a use of symbolism is endemic to certain parts of the United States to suit the purposes of their specifically parochial social issues.

It cannot and should not be perceived unfiltered by those of another culture.

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Reply #23 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:02pm

AiA wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 11:35am:

Richmond’s Confederate Monuments Were Used to Sell a Segregated Neighborhood

Real-estate developers used the statues on Monument Avenue to draw white buyers to a neighborhood where houses could not be sold “to any person of African descent.”

https://archive.is/NDNl1#selection-697.0-706.0

Any links to a certain alleged child rapist?

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5446 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #24 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 12:13pm Removal of statues is all part of the greater plan: https://americanmind.org/features/whos-next/minority-report/?fbclid=IwAR0zs8fwiZ...
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42189	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #25 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:06pm Tell us, what story do the statues in this case tell? Is it a story of the glorification of slavery and rebellion? Should that be celebrated or condemned?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #26 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:13pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:06pm: Tell us, what story do the statues in this case tell? Is it a story of the glorification of slavery and rebellion? Should that be celebrated or condemned? In this case it is the story of segregation... Separate but 'equal'.
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Reply #27 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2021 at 2:06pm:

Tell us, what story do the statues in this case tell? Is it a story of the glorification of slavery and rebellion? Should that be celebrated or condemned? Roll Eyes

There are war memorials in Germany, in Japan, in Russia. Should these be torn down because the cause for which the people fought was wrong? Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:06pm

The Good Gineral fought to preserve State's Rights - not the institution of slavery or discrimination etc.... that's why he refused the command of the Union armies...

Does that town council accept any responsibility for the violence from left and right it created when it first mooted this stupid idea?

Ultimately it is they who hold responsibility for the injuries, rioting and death. Their answer - let's do it all again.... FFS.... stoopid is as stoopid does, sah...

If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

This issue was a 'rallying point' for the leftist history re-workers - the response from those wishing to see it remain does not constitute 'white supremacy', and it is very sad that the media always seek to portray any leftist violence as all good while any response is considered the oppression and vi8olent regardless of its content or reasons.

Oh, well - you cannot educate fools.....

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Reply #29 - Jul 11^th, 2021 at 3:22pm

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races —that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Should a man who said this have a statue erected to his memory? If there are any such, should they be torn down?

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