UK health minister Javid tests positive for COVID-19
"British health minister Sajid Javid on Saturday said he had tested positive for COVID-19, but added that his symptoms were mild and he was thankful to have had had two doses of vaccine against the disease. Javid, who has been health secretary for three weeks, has backed Prime Minister Boris Johnson's plan to scrap all remaining legal coronavirus restrictions from Monday ..."
https://news.yahoo.com/uk-health-minister-javid-tests-125543239.html


UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid tests positive for COVID ...
July 17, 2021 3:21 pm. U.K. Health and Social Care Secretary Sajid Javid on Saturday said he had tested positive for COVID-19. "I was feeling a little bit groggy last night so I took a lateral flow test this morning and it's come out positive," he said in a video posted on Twitter. Javid added he was now self-isolating at home with his family ...
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-health-secretary-sajid-javid-tests-positive-for-covid-19/




What is clear from these circumstances is;
People who are fully vaccinated with a covid vaccine, can still catch covid and become ill.
"I was feeling a little bit groggy last night so I [got tested] and it's come out positive," he said
People who are fully vaccinated with a covid vaccine, can still be contagious [transmit the covid virus] to others.
If his recent contacts still need to be identified [through 'contact tracing'], this would suggest that [though fully vaccinated] the covid virus would still be free, to both spread and to mutate, within the UK community !


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And the government 'requiring' all members of the community to be vaccinated with 'the covid vaccine' ['TO PREVENT THE FURTHER SPREAD OF COVID, IN THE COMMUNITY'] is a nonsense, imo.



CONSIDER;
If a covid vaccine regime      DOES NOT PROTECT AN INDIVIDUAL      from contracting nor, from transmitting the covid virus to others [as per UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid]
[and in the widely publicised example, of UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid, we have the witness, that it does not],
then surely that is proof, that the [current] covid vaccine 'process' and regime which is being promoted,
CANNOT BE EXPECTED TO PROTECT THE WIDER COMMUNITY from contracting the covid virus nor prevent those who are 'carriers' from transmitting the covid virus to others, throughout the community.


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If your environment does not foster thinking freely, you cannot solve problems.
i.e.
If a society of men, are 'prevented' from thinking freely, they cannot solve problems.



https://articulous.com.au/problem-solving/

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 8:54am:



Q.
How can anyone prove, that Sajid Javid being 'fully vaccinated', had any protective effect upon him.


.....when many, many people [in 2020] who reputedly caught the covid virus too, only suffered very mild symptoms.

Of course, we KNOW that very old persons, and other persons who had 'co-morbidities' died when they [also] contracted covid.

But they died [probably], through suffering the extra load of the covid virus symptoms.


i.e.
For many decades, we know that     sick people,     have also died from a dose of the flu !

They probably just assume people are smart enough to know that vaccines reduce transmission andf symptoms but don't stop entirely.



Thats the mistake, assuming Yaddas intelligent.

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 10:06am:


I can safely say I've never made that assumption.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 10:13am:



You are mistaken.

I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer Karen'.



I'M PRO,    .....allowing individuals to make their own informed choices.

For myself i'd like to have the choice, to take the Ivermectin Triple Therapy, if i were to get COVID symptoms.

And i'd like the right, to buy Ivermectin Triple Therapy blister packs here in Australia, if i wanted to.

But why can't i ?

A.
Because government bureaucracies around the world have been 'nobbled' by BIG PHARMA corporations pressure.
.....that is what it looks like.

Professor Robert Clancy backs ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1624579839/0#0



Dictionary;
bureaucracy = = a system of government in which most decisions are taken by state officials rather than by elected representatives.      a state or organization governed according to such a system.

Yadda wrote on Jul 21^st, 2021 at 12:18pm:


You do realise the fatal flaw in your logic right?

"Big Pharma" make their money from selling treatments that people need to keep taking for longer periods of time, not vaccines that prevents illness entirely or at least reduces the severity to the point that medical intervention is not needed.

The more COVID spreads, the more variants there are, the greater chance of naturally acquired or vaccinated immunity won't protect you, so you need these treatments.

Yes, they'll be a short term boost to sales with the vaccine, but blood pressure medication, heart medication, even things like viagra, that's where the money is.  That's what Big Pharma wants to turn COVID into.

The first step in that is to create enough doubt in the community about vaccines so people will choose not to take them. 

Short term hit, long term gain.

And because of the power of their lobbying, they have politicians who are easily bought, almost exclusively conservative, ultra-conservative or fringe conservates, the same ones you seem to trust, pushing other alternatives to vaccines purely for a profit motive.

And for this part, it's a stupid plan.  In the US, over 98% of those still dying from COVID are unvaccinated from largely conservative states with the lowest vaccination rates. 

These idiots are killing their own voter base...

You've been conned in the most complete way possible.  You've been tricked into thinking that big pharma can't be trusted yet the option you've been conditioned to accept as the alternative is the one big pharma prefers.

And sadly the one that offers no protection to the other members of our communities who can't for legitimate reasons, take the vaccines that they want to.  You getting sick and treating the sickness doesn't stop you from spreading it, assuming the treatment even works...

Let's not kid ourselves, it's likely, the anti-vaxxer karen that you are (call it whatever you want, you can't PR spin your way out of stupid), you're unlikely to be the type who will self isolate until you get a negative test result, if you even get tested, once we transition to learning to live with the virus. 

This means your personal choice is a danger to those without the choice as you refuse to be told what to do by the power-hungry one-world government socialists and will not stay at home when sick and infected, instead, spreading the virus around.

All so you can help big pharma.

Good job dumb ass.

If your choice would only harm and kill you, I'd say let it rip.  Go for broke, you have my full support.  But sadly that's now how the virus works.

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2021 at 9:09am:


That is the point I made in another strand about vaccination - we don't even know if it will work, or how well, and the hope is that it will give sufficient resistance - not immunity - for most to ward off this disease.

Let's be frank and earnest here - it is being tested 'in the field'.....