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Reply #105 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:54pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:50pm:

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with pre-conceived fears I think. It's not realistic at all.

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Reply #106 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:55pm

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:54pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:50pm:

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with pre-conceived fears I think.

Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions.

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Reply #107 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 1:03pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:55pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:54pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:50pm:

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with pre-conceived fears I think.

Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions.

Hyperbolic bull-dust

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Reply #108 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 1:08pm

The WHO opinion on Mandatory Vaccination;

Whilst being an advocate of the necessity on a case by case basis they go to specific lengths to address the negatives and issues around it also. That should ring bells for all. Even a pro-mandatory world health body, worries about the repercussions.
To sum up their opinion, it should be used basically as a last resort, sparingly and should be of short duration, with consideration for those with real individual concerns. Outside of that the negatives become a real issue for society as we know it.

Link to Doc;

https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1342697/retrieve

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Reply #109 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 2:29pm

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 1:03pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:55pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:54pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:50pm:

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with pre-conceived fears I think.

Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions.

Hyperbolic bull-dust

Backed up by the evidence on those forums. Stop defending the nutcases, or otherwise you are one.

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Reply #110 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 6:26pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 2:29pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 1:03pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:55pm:

goosecat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:54pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 12:50pm:

PLus there would be the obvious medical exemptions. My concern is halfwits using the system to get "medical exemptions" when they are anti-vaxx

I have a greater belief in our medical practitioners and due diligence than you perhaps. I doubt there will suddenly be massive amounts of doctors lying to dish out medical exemptions. Such a concept is that of an ideologue with pre-conceived fears I think.

Who's talking about doctors? I'm talking about your average SovCit protestor who will go to the one doctor in the country whos going to give out medical exemptions.

Hyperbolic bull-dust

Backed up by the evidence on those forums. Stop defending the nutcases, or otherwise you are one.

Lol. Pot, Kettle, Black

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Reply #111 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 7:22pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:32pm:

As the world slowly grinds towards ... mandatory vaccinations ...,

You can safely pack up and put away Dr Kevorkian's Nembutal Machine

NO vaccine has EVER - and NOR will ever - be mandatory in this country

Allergies come from certain components that make up the formula - not from every component in every vaccine
This is one of the reasons we have such a wide array of differing formula vaccines in the medical market-place

In the same sense of fail-safe, we have SIX DIFFERENT annual 'flu' vaccinations available this 'flu season

So, an absolute allergy to all and everything dispensed through a syringe is not an argument or defence that holds up

HOWEVER, a conscientious objection against all vaccines - without an specified reason - is your RIGHT in this democracy

But you must also accept as the RIGHT in this democracy to any company or government department to demand proof of full covid cover as a condition of employment

Such a RIGHT in this democracy should also extend to the private sector premises of all hotels, bars, restaurants, cafes, supermarkets, gynasiums, swimming centres, theatres and cinemas, medical practices and hospitals - to name a few examples of a much longer list

I'D be asking mself if stepping outsiide of society - with all of the other anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists - was really worth the cost ?

I mean, who'd want to spend eternity - in world of 'lost nails' ?

The science will ALWAYS prevail

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination And Medical Exemptions
Reply #112 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 8:02pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:50pm:

Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination.
It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.

These are NOT 'mandatory' measures
They are more aligned with a 'dress code'
No shoes, no vax, no service

No one's holding you down for a 'pricking'

(not in a bad way, at least]

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Reply #113 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 8:12pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:50pm:

It is already happening, no need to be aggressive or imbecilic.
Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.

Are they going to strap people down and inject them against their will?

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Reply #114 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 10:47pm

Disingenuous responses both. Even leaders, politicians, world bodies and media refer to Mandatory.
If you are told you must be vaccinated or you lose your job and all that entails for your family, children and loss of income, it is mandatory and all genuine people know it.
These types of bullshit-disingenuous and juvenile level responses are clear for all genuine people to see.
It does not aid your position at all.

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Reply #115 - Sep 1^st, 2021 at 11:07pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?

You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools).

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunis...

Some of the list: (This isn't new).

chickenpox (varicella)
diphtheria
influenza
hepatitis B
Hib
measles
meningococcal AWCY
mumps
pneumococcal
polio
rotavirus
rubella
tetanus
whooping cough (pertussis).

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Reply #116 - Sep 2^nd, 2021 at 12:04am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 1^st, 2021 at 11:07pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?

You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools).

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunis...

Some of the list: (This isn't new).

chickenpox (varicella)
diphtheria
influenza
hepatitis B
Hib
measles
meningococcal AWCY
mumps
pneumococcal
polio
rotavirus
rubella
tetanus
whooping cough (pertussis).

And just the sort of mandatory program the WHO themselves state as having negative repercussions regarding vaccine hesitancy and trust in medical and government programs through the populace. The mothers who never really had an issue with vaccination and government medical programs, until a mandatory lightning rod was erected for them to rail against , as predicted by the WHO themselves and so evident now.
Short-sighted, ill conceived legislation.

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Reply #117 - Sep 2^nd, 2021 at 12:12am

The WHO opinion on Mandatory Vaccination;

Whilst being an advocate of the necessity on a case by case basis they go to specific lengths to address the negatives and issues around it also. That should ring bells for all. Even a pro-mandatory world health body, worries about the repercussions.
To sum up their opinion, it should be used basically as a last resort, sparingly and should be of short duration, with consideration for those with real individual concerns. Outside of that the negatives become a real issue for society as we know it.

Link to Doc;
https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1342697/retrieve

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goosecat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 619	Re: Mandatory Vaccination And Medical Exemptions Reply #118 - Sep 2^nd, 2021 at 12:16am We must, as we have with every other virus containment effort, combine treatment options with vaccination. That has been almost perversely forgotten at the moment. History will not judge the proponents of the master plan and it's implementation well.
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Reply #119 - Sep 3^rd, 2021 at 12:15pm

Mandatory Vaccination Challenge

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vaccine-mandate-challenge-to-be-expedit...
It will most likely fail to an extent but may bring some clarity on it needing to be restricted to very specific targets.
Regardless of that, the fact mandatory vaccination demands build vaccine hesitancy should be obvious enough to even the most simple minded individuals. It is certainly not lost on the WHO who state themselves it has repercussions through society and builds hesitancy and mistrust issues in the populace. That carries forward to other medical and government programs and initiatives. Beware the short-sighted, short term visions of mandating what people MUST DO WITH THEIR BODIES.

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