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Reply #120 - Sep 3rd, 2021 at 2:11pm
 
WHO Statement:

"World Health Organization (WHO) does not presently support the direction of mandates for COVID-19 vaccination, having argued that it is better to work on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible (4). In addition, WHO recently issued a position statement that national authorities and conveyance operators should not require COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of international travel (5)."


4; https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transc...

5; https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerati...
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Reply #121 - Sep 3rd, 2021 at 2:13pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 3rd, 2021 at 2:11pm:
WHO Statement:

"World Health Organization (WHO) does not presently support the direction of mandates for COVID-19 vaccination, having argued that it is better to work on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible (4). In addition, WHO recently issued a position statement that national authorities and conveyance operators should not require COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of international travel (5)."


4; https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transc...

5; https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerati...



Thats still not mandatory vaccination.
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Reply #122 - Sep 3rd, 2021 at 4:38pm
 
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 3rd, 2021 at 2:13pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 3rd, 2021 at 2:11pm:
WHO Statement:

"World Health Organization (WHO) does not presently support the direction of mandates for COVID-19 vaccination, having argued that it is better to work on information campaigns and making vaccines accessible (4). In addition, WHO recently issued a position statement that national authorities and conveyance operators should not require COVID-19 vaccination as a condition of international travel (5)."


4; https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/covid-19-virtual-press-conference-transc...

5; https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerati...



Thats still not mandatory vaccination.

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Reply #123 - Sep 5th, 2021 at 10:08am
 
Spain
"Inmaculada Castelló said: “There is only one precedent in Spanish legislation providing health authorities with the power to decree compulsory vaccination. A 1980 law provides that vaccinations against smallpox and diphtheria and against typhoid and paratyphoid infections could be declared compulsory by the government if the number of cases of these diseases justified such an intervention, or in cases of a current or foreseeable epidemic situation. Nonetheless, mandatory Covid-19 vaccination seems unlikely and, in my opinion, would not have a positive impact on the population´s attitude towards such vaccines. Acceptance is already high enough to achieve herd immunity in Spain and adopting such measures would have no other effect than to generate mistrust among the population.”
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Reply #124 - Sep 7th, 2021 at 8:31am
 
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Machteld Hiemstra said: “Whilst it has been discussed at government level, the conclusion was that nobody can be forced to have the vaccination and the starting point is always that medical treatment cannot be imposed. To do so is considered a violation of article 11 of the Dutch constitution – the right of individuals to inviolability of their person – and article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights concerning individuals’ right to privacy. As a result, even requesting evidence of vaccination is prohibited.”
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Reply #125 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 11:39am
 
The hypocrisy and sheer abandonment of the Liberal party belief sets is quite astounding really. This party founded on individual rights and freedom of choice now lead by compromised and short-sighted failures like Sco Mo and Gladys. Absolutely disgusting how all their beliefs and principles have gone out the window and turned into nothing more than falsities whilst they get directed by short-sighted puppeteers pulling their strings. What the hell does the Liberal party actually stand for anymore, nothing?
I note the Young Liberals have come out and stated they are against mandatory vaccination:


The issue has become a flashpoint for some other conservative Liberals, including Mulgoa MP Tanya Davies who sent an email to all her fellow coalition MPs saying the government had “failed in their jobs as leaders”.

Ms Davies told the Liberal Party room earlier in the week she would introduce a bill to ban companies from mandating their employees to get jabbed, but received almost no support and was blasted by the Deputy Premier for taking a position that was “dangerous, irresponsible and threatens lives”.

Ms Davies applauded the Young Liberals for approving the motion, which passed 123 against 58.

“It's great to see the younger Liberals fighting for this,” she said.

“They could teach some of the Liberal MPs a thing or two.”

A Young Liberal source said many in the youth wing felt the party’s MPs are “stuck in ivory towers” and don’t know what’s “happening on the ground”.

“Young Libs are crying out for the government to reconsider the policy,” the person said.

“It goes against the Liberal Party mantra of individual freedom.”


LIBERAL PARTY BELIEFS FROM THEIR OWN CORE BELIEF STATEMENT:

"In the inalienable rights and freedoms of all peoples; and we work towards a lean government that minimises interference in our daily lives; and maximises individual and private sector initiative

In government that nurtures and encourages its citizens through incentive, rather than putting limits on people through the punishing disincentives"


Once again I personally am pro vaccination, I am anti mandatory vaccination and Passport/ID Cards. Not that the Australian public is capable of standing up anymore but I still believe being genuine in the beliefs you claim and having some integrity is important. Every single Liberal party member should be similar if they have any integrity.
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Reply #126 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 1:36pm
 
I thought Yadda had a one track mind about Muslims.
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Reply #127 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 1:49pm
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/09/politics/joe-biden-covid-speech/index.html

Biden announces new vaccine mandates that could cover 100 million Americans


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By Kevin Liptak and Kaitlan Collins, CNN

Updated 0101 GMT (0901 HKT) September 10, 2021


Now, federal employees will have 75 days to get vaccinated or risk being fired.

A potentially massive impact on the US workforce
Wide swaths of the American workforce could be impacted by the new rules, which would take effect over the coming weeks. The new "emergency temporary standard" from the Labor Department will require large employers to give their workers paid time off to get vaccinated. If businesses don't comply, the government will "take enforcement actions," which could include "substantial fines up to nearly $14,000 per violation, according to officials.


"The expectation is if you want to work in the federal government or want to be a contractor, you need to be vaccinated," press secretary Jen Psaki said, adding the number of unvaccinated federal workers was still being compiled. Officials said limited exemptions would apply to workers claiming medical or religious reasons for not getting vaccinated.
The White House has said the federal government should act as a model for other businesses in their own vaccine mandates, and has praised large companies that require employees to be vaccinated.
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Reply #128 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:45pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 11:07pm:
John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:
What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?




You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.


This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools).

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunis...

Some of the list: (This isn't new).

chickenpox (varicella)
diphtheria
influenza
hepatitis B
Hib
measles
meningococcal AWCY
mumps
pneumococcal
polio
rotavirus
rubella
tetanus
whooping cough (pertussis).


You are correct
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Reply #129 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:45pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 11:07pm:
John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:
What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?




You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.


This is the list of current required immunisation for children in Australia. ( no pre school or school if this isn't done for most schools).

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/09/national-immunis...

Some of the list: (This isn't new).

chickenpox (varicella)
diphtheria
influenza
hepatitis B
Hib
measles
meningococcal AWCY
mumps
pneumococcal
polio
rotavirus
rubella
tetanus
whooping cough (pertussis).


You are correct


I was referring to COVID vaccines, but this illustrates my point to be honest.  There are plenty of industries and vaccines which are essentially mandated. Why all the fuss about this one?
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Reply #130 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:30pm:
And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said.




... a new law that allows children 11 and older to acquire vaccines without permission from parents.

The D.C. Council voted 10-3 in November to allow minors to give their own consent for vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even if a parent has filed a religious exemption.


https://dcist.com/story/21/07/19/parents-take-aim-dc-law-allows-minors-get-vacci...



This is bold, though positive legislation, that protects the rights of the child overriding the beliefs of parents involved with whacko cults

Similar legislation already exists where parents oppose life-saving blood transfusions

This is good law making

Not having leadership, both Islam and Judaism have polarized views on immunisation
Only the Danish Reform and Christian Science oppose them - for reasons best known to themselves



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Reply #131 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 3:00pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:57pm:
lee wrote on Jul 25th, 2021 at 2:30pm:
And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said.




... a new law that allows children 11 and older to acquire vaccines without permission from parents.

The D.C. Council voted 10-3 in November to allow minors to give their own consent for vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, even if a parent has filed a religious exemption.


https://dcist.com/story/21/07/19/parents-take-aim-dc-law-allows-minors-get-vacci...



This is bold, though positive legislation, that protects the rights of the child overriding the beliefs of parents involved with whacko cults

Similar legislation already exists where parents oppose life-saving blood transfusions

This is good law making

Not having leadership, both Islam and Judaism have polarized views on immunisation
Only the Danish Reform and Christian Science oppose them - for reasons best known to themselves






I also like the assumption that somehow parents have special qualifications just because they are parents.
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Reply #132 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 3:27pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 11:39am:
The issue has become a flashpoint for some other conservative Liberals, including Mulgoa MP Tanya Davies who sent an email to all her fellow coalition MPs saying the government had “failed in their jobs as leaders”.

Ms Davies told the Liberal Party room earlier in the week she would introduce a bill to ban companies from mandating their employees to get jabbed, but received almost no support and was blasted by the Deputy Premier for taking a position that was “dangerous, irresponsible and threatens lives”.






Despite being a renowned "leftie" I'm happy with Berajiklian's leadership during Covid
My ONLY criticism has been her tardiness on mandatory masks and lock-downs
And pettiness of the term "stay at home orders"- instead of "lock down"

The latter, of course, being a Labor term




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Reply #133 - Sep 10th, 2021 at 3:46pm
 
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm:
I was referring to COVID vaccines, but this illustrates my point to be honest.  There are plenty of industries and vaccines which are essentially mandated. Why all the fuss about this one?




It's the first new vaccination in the age of 'social media" - the conspiracy theorist's best friend

If the measles vaccine were only invented last week - the same loons (like, lost nail) would be running the same propaganda campaign on THAT one

Of course, these conspiracy theorists don't realise that every years 'flu' vaccine is a different formula than the year previous - to combat a new 'flu' virus



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Reply #134 - Sep 12th, 2021 at 5:30pm
 
Findings from three important Cochrane reviews on the effectiveness of the influenza vaccination aren’t consistent with the advice we’ve been given.

Cochrane reviews are independent systematic reviews, which are comprehensive analyses of most of the literature relevant to a research topic. Cochrane reviews summarise the results in a multitude of studies, and are regularly updated to absorb new research.

These three Cochrane reviews have been recently updated, as well as stabilised, which is what happens when it looks as if it seems unlikely new research would be published that would change the conclusions.

What the reviews found
The first Cochrane review looked at the effects of the influenza vaccine in healthy adults from 25 studies conducted over single influenza seasons in North America, South America, and Europe between 1969 and 2009. It found the vaccine reduced the chance of getting laboratory confirmed influenza from 23 cases out of 1,000 to 9 cases out of 1,000.

While this seems to be a reduction of more than 50%, that seems less optimistic expressed in absolute terms.

The infection rate in adults drops from 2% per year to 1%. You could say that’s halved, but it effectively only drops by 1%. So this means that out of every 100 healthy adults vaccinated, 99 get no benefit against laboratory confirmed influenza

The second Cochrane review – which looked at trials in children over single influenza seasons in the US, Western Europe, Russia, and Bangladesh between 1984 and 2013 – found similar results.

The third Cochrane review looked at vaccines for the elderly in nursing homes. It found much less good evidence, with only one randomised trial – considered the gold standard in clinical trials as it establishes causation rather than correlation.

While observational studies (that draw inferences from a population to establish associations) have been done to show benefits of the vaccines, bias means we cannot rely on their results.

There are also potential harms from influenza vaccines noted in the reviews. They range from serious (a neurological disease called Guillain Barre) through to moderate (fevers, in children especially – some of which will cause febrile convulsions), and trivial (a sore arm for a couple of days).


https://theconversation.com/the-flu-vaccine-is-being-oversold-its-not-that-effec...
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