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Reply #15 - Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:53pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:46pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:37pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed.

The main problem I have is what about the rights of people in those areas.

Fair point, but aren't they protected by their own vaccination? I'm just wondering how my family and I are supposed to get around in this new order. It's not an easy one I know.

Not everyone is protected, the whole point of vaccination is to minimise contact between susceptible individuals.

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Reply #16 - Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:54pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:51pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:43pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:42pm:

So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section?

You'd have to assume that, but then you as a non vaccinated person would have to accept the risk. E.g. I've been to Timor Leste and many of the people I went with didn't get vaccinated for rabies. I did. But those people accepted the risk.

Fair enough. There's no easy answer as doctors have said they'd dread me getting Corona-virus "naturally" as well, no one really knows what my body would do. I'm not alone however, there are people who's immune systems have been destroyed through "Chemo" and radiation treatment for cancer etc for whom similar issues arise.

To be honest goosecat its not that I dont think your concerns are irrelevant, its more that these aren't new concerns. Vaccination programs have always had to encompass the concerns of patients who can't be vaccinated.

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Reply #17 - Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 2:03pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:54pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:51pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:43pm:

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:42pm:

So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section?

You'd have to assume that, but then you as a non vaccinated person would have to accept the risk. E.g. I've been to Timor Leste and many of the people I went with didn't get vaccinated for rabies. I did. But those people accepted the risk.

Fair enough. There's no easy answer as doctors have said they'd dread me getting Corona-virus "naturally" as well, no one really knows what my body would do. I'm not alone however, there are people who's immune systems have been destroyed through "Chemo" and radiation treatment for cancer etc for whom similar issues arise.

To be honest goosecat its not that I dont think your concerns are irrelevant, its more that these aren't new concerns. Vaccination programs have always had to encompass the concerns of patients who can't be vaccinated.

I guess I'm a little worried that in the drive to quieten the "full blown" "anti-vaccers" by continually focusing on how safe it is for everyone, which I get, people like my family and others for whom it is genuinely dangerous may be forgotten about.

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Reply #18 - Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 2:05pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 2:03pm:

I guess I'm a little worried that in the drive to quieten the "full blown" "anti-vaccers" by continually focusing on how safe it is for everyone, which I get, people like my family and others for whom it is genuinely dangerous may be forgotten about.

No. Don't worry about that. I guess the best option is to you notify your State health department.

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Reply #19 - Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 3:28pm

John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 12:39pm:

What does concern me however is the growing calls to effectively force people to have their bodies injected with mandated substances by denying them rights to areas of society unless they agree to be jabbed. I really feel this is a slippery slope for society. What might the next mandated substances be?

You say you're pro vax, but then churn out this rubbish? Whos actually calling to vaccinate everyone.

Hey people willingly drink fluoride(HYDROFLUOROSILICIC ACID) a toxic chemical contaminated Class 8 corrosive & schedule 6.1 poison as a mandated spurious public dental health initiative....

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Hydrofluorosilicic Acid

Subclasses:
Subclass 6.1 Category D - Substances which are acutely toxic.
Subclass 8.1 Category A - Substances that are corrosive to metals.
Subclass 8.2 Category C - Substances that are corrosive to dermal tissue.
Subclass 8.3 Category A - Substances that are corrosive to ocular tissue

so why not jabs?

Are they as dangerous as that?

Get ya COV19 shots.

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Reply #20 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 10:48am

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:12pm:

folic acid and soy are mandated in our bread. fluoride is mandated in our water

Spot

Yeah I get that but as someone with immune issues I can buy organic or non wheat bread and filter out Fluoride for example. Again please read the OP and note I'm not anti vaccine.
I'm genuinely interested in how those for whom it is genuinely dangerous might navigate the non-vaccinated paradigm.

Im not arguing - just point out that our govt likes to mandate stuff "for our own good".

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Reply #21 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 12:27pm

I have an octogenarian friend who cannot have the vaccine because of
other medical issues, and he's also on other medications for which the
Covid vaxes are contra-indicated.

He simply takes all other recommended precautions, and gets on with
his life.

He's an ex-RAAF officer, so is no fool and is certainly no 'snowflake'.

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Reply #22 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 1:03pm

goosecat wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2021 at 1:42pm:

So any form of Vaccination passport legislation/regulation would need to include a medical exemption section?

Correct. There are people who can't take vaccines for genuine health reasons

thats also why herd immunity is so important, to protect those who can't take the vaccine and because no vaccine is 100% effective

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17983 Gender:	Re: Mandatory Vaccination And Medical Exemptions Reply #23 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:30pm And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents. How children can give informed consent is not said.
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Reply #24 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

And in Washington DC they are vaccinating children against COVID without informing the parents.

Ah, no.

In Washington DC Two separate lawsuits were filed this month to challenge the legality of a law passed in D.C. during 2020 that would allow children 11 and older to receive certain vaccines without parental consent.

In October, the District passed the Minor Consent to Vaccinations Amendments Act, which allows children as young as 11 to get vaccines without their parents’ knowledge if a doctor determines that they are capable of informed consent.

The law was passed before coronavirus vaccines became available and was meant to allow teenagers to get shots such as the HPV vaccine, which protects against a sexually transmitted infection that can cause cancer, and the meningitis vaccine, which is recommended for teens.

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination And Medical Exemptions
Reply #25 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 6:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Ah, no.

The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent?

Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks.

Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

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Reply #26 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:25pm

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Ah, no.

The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent?

Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks.

Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

Lol

He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

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Reply #27 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:25pm:

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Ah, no.

The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent?

Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks.

Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

Lol

He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point.

Most unlike Lee.

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Reply #28 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:32pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:25pm:

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Ah, no.

The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent?

Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks.

Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

Lol

He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point.

Most unlike Lee.

I can't wait to see lee explain how someone vaccinated in 2018 was vaccinated for COVID-19

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination And Medical Exemptions
Reply #29 - Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 7:25pm:

lee wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 25^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

Ah, no.

The Bill was passed in 2020. Are you sure no kids have been vaccinated without consent?

Edit: "The bill was originally introduced to the D.C. Council in early 2019 in response to an outbreak of measles. The intent was to circumvent parents who subscribe to anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and refuse to vaccinate their children, enabling such outbreaks.

Some of these children, like Ethan Lindenberger, have gotten themselves vaccinated against their parents’ wishes and become public health advocates, and some states let teens get vaccines without parental consent.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaccines-dc-minors/

Lol

He wasn't vaccinated for COVID-19, silly billy.

Yes, but perhaps Lee just wanted to argue over some niggly detail to score a point.

Most unlike Lee.

I can't wait to see lee explain how someone vaccinated in 2018 was vaccinated for COVID-19

Well, what about covid 18?

Would you care to explain that?

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