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Reply #60 - Jul 31st, 2021 at 7:49am
 
Sophia wrote on Jul 29th, 2021 at 11:16pm:
Or….The immunised herd seem to end up in hospital with covid …

I know… maybe symptoms are not as bad as without the vax right?
But then how come it seems the vaccine gives these people COVID?
And they are in hospital? Does that sound like it’s mild?
Or are just some people not so resilient?
Blood types maybe?
Surely not one size fits all?

So confusing.
Even in the Uk, 40% of single and double vaccinated are getting covid.
Looking into a crystal ball here but…That’s what we might be expected to see in our news in the future when 60-80% are vaccinated here in Oz?
Once our shores open up and we begin travel?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJG8UPLy/




It has nothing to do with us.
If these "vaccines" get a negative outcome then investors will boycott.
Got to keep it all positive for the investors.

Show me the money.
That's all this is.
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Reply #61 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm
 
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...
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Reply #62 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am
 
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.
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Reply #63 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:41am
 
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What is the point you’re making? Sorry, but it escapes me.
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Reply #64 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:45am
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:41am:
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What is the point you’re making? Sorry, but it escapes me.



Just keep thinking away eventually you'll grasp the point. Very similar to when p[eople say Youtube taking Sky News off or Twitter banning Trump is a war on free speech.
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Reply #65 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am
 
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else.
The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.
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Reply #66 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:22am
 
goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am:
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else.
The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.




Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice.


But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.
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Reply #67 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:31am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 31st, 2021 at 5:40am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 31st, 2021 at 5:32am:
everyone should get vaxxed. no doubt

if you are scared of the vax, your level of fear is truly pathetic.

BUT

heres what i see happening (and why you cant outrun your destiny).

we will get 70 % vaxxed.

the delta will run about in the unvaxxed and we know from the UK that vaxxed people are catching it as well (just not getting very sick).


BUT


you will then have enormous numbers of vaxxed people carrying delta and , according to the evolutionary blowtorch i love, this WILL SELECT FOR DELTA THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VAX .

in other words, this scenariom is going to make vaccines not very useful in a short period of time.

so , i wouldnt be too confident that this all ends this year.



I don't think there's anyone silly enough to think this will end this year.

The bogans won't be going back to Bali to get drunk on cheap beer in 2022 either, that's for sure.



They may never go back, the Indonesian government is planning to market Bali to to the more wealthy demographic after Covid. Days of cheap airfares are definitely gone, Garudas gone bust and cancelled direct flights.
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Reply #68 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:40am
 
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:22am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am:
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else.
The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.




Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice.


But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.

No I'm kind of worried for those that can't be vaccinated as mentioned before. I'd rather not get into a child debate with you over not strapping people down. If an employer says you have to inject yourself or you lose your job, income, family support and all the effects that may have on children etc than it is forced. People like you playing disingenuous semantics doesn't alter the realities genuine people understand.
What happens legally if a company effectively forces vaccination and a family's bread winner/parent/child dies? Where do the legal liabilities lay?
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Reply #69 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:54am
 
goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:40am:
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:22am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am:
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else.
The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.




Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice.


But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.

No I'm kind of worried for those that can't be vaccinated as mentioned before. I'd rather not get into a child debate with you over not strapping people down. If an employer says you have to inject yourself or you lose your job, income, family support and all the effects that may have on children etc than it is forced. People like you playing disingenuous semantics doesn't alter the realities genuine people understand.
What happens legally if a company effectively forces vaccination and a family's bread winner/parent/child dies? Where do the legal liabilities lay?



Dies of what?
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Reply #70 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:56am
 
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:22am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 11:15am:
John Dillermand wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:35am:
goosecat wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:54pm:
First private entity in Australia mandating vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/spc-first-australia-company-to-mandate-co...




Notice its a private company and not a government? SO this is not the big reveal you think it is.

What's in your mind regarding reveals as you call it is nothing short of first level, child analysis. I have no interest in your imagined left versus right, government versus something else.
The first private business enforcing people to have substances injected into their bodies, regardless of anything else as far as greater good ideals, is an important step, that's just fact.




Well its not the first to be honest, its a private business so essentially they can do what they want. And they aren't strapping people down injecting them. They are saying want to work here? Get vaccinated. People still have a choice.


But apparently you're not anti-vaxxer, even though you look and quack like one.


I am anti-mandatory any medication

Spot
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Reply #71 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 4:54pm
 
John Dillermand wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:51pm:
goosecat wrote on Jul 23rd, 2021 at 12:50pm:
It is already happening, no need to be aggressive or imbecilic.
Vaccination passports for travel, demands for vaccinations for particular employees and in France laws being developed to enforce Vaccination. It is coming and only those incapable of genuine analysis can't see it.




Vaccination passports aren't mandatory vaccination. The French laws aren't about enforcing vaccinations.


Oh?

Quote:
The NSW Parliament passed a Bill to amend the Public Health Act 2010 to strengthen vaccination enrolment requirements in child care (also known as early childhood education and care). From 1 January 2018:

children who are unvaccinated due to their parent’s conscientious objection can no longer be enrolled in child care
it is an offence (with a penalty of 50 penalty units) for a principal to fail to comply with the child care vaccination enrolment requirements
it is an offence (with a penalty of 50 penalty units) for a person to forge or falsify a vaccination certificate.
Importantly, the vast majority of children will be unaffected by the changes as over 93% of children in NSW are fully vaccinated at one and five years of age (see HealthStatsNSW). When last measured in December 2015, parental conscientious objection affected only around 1.15% of children aged 0-7 years in NSW. Children who cannot be fully vaccinated due to a medical condition or who are on a recognised catch-up schedule will still be able to be enrolled upon presentation of the appropriate form signed by a medical practitioner.


https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/immunisation/Pages/childcare_qa.aspx
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Reply #72 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 5:46pm
 
It would be interesting to see what the permutations are:

1 Against mandatory vaccination but FOR voter ID
2 Against mandatory vaccination and Against voter ID
3 FOR mandatory vaccination and FOR voter ID
4 FOR mandatory vaccination and Against voter ID.



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Reply #73 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 5:49pm
 
Where do you stand?
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Reply #74 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 6:34pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 31st, 2021 at 5:32am:
everyone should get vaxxed. no doubt

if you are scared of the vax, your level of fear is truly pathetic.

BUT

heres what i see happening (and why you cant outrun your destiny).

we will get 70 % vaxxed.

the delta will run about in the unvaxxed and we know from the UK that vaxxed people are catching it as well (just not getting very sick).


BUT


you will then have enormous numbers of vaxxed people carrying delta and , according to the evolutionary blowtorch i love, this WILL SELECT FOR DELTA THAT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VAX .

in other words, this scenariom is going to make vaccines not very useful in a short period of time.

so , i wouldnt be too confident that this all ends this year.

it wont.

and i think we have years to decades of just having to accept many covid admissions to hospitals and many deaths.

the way out is to teach personal risk assessment and personal responsibility for weight health distancing hygiene.

the way out is NOT to be little babies who expect mummy gladys and daddy scott to keep you safe.  (about the only word in their vocabulary nowadays  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes)

they cant

its on YOU


The interesting thing about covid is we've all discovered that it's not all about YOU at all. It's about US.

YOU can only stop someone infecting you for so long.

YOU can only ensure that your livelihood is available for so long, or you have an employer, or customers, or money in the bank.

Pandemics affect populations, not individuals. One person alone can do very little to prevent covid.

The plagues transformed Europe. Without them, populations wouldn't have been divided into parishes and had their births and deaths recorded, then regulated. We wouldn't have urban planning and, eventually, hospitals.

Hospitals are highly systematised social places. They're not about YOU, they're a regulated social unit with the aim of treating YOU. Health care is about teamwork.

The same applies to economies. No mainstream political party is adverse to economic stimulus anymore. Even your Dear Leader sent out fake cheques pretending he was the one putting free money in their accounts. In the UK, a Tory government paid people's wages - unimaginable in 2019. The government is BACK.

The pre-war policies of Milton Keynes are back. No more free unfettered markets, no more survival of the fittest. The days of Reagan and Thatcher are oh so 2019.

Covid has shown that we need to support everyone to save ourselves, and ultimately, prevent YOU from getting sick.

This, I think, is what offends you so much about covid. It's not a grand, triumph of the individual narrative. It's more of a meticulous police procedural. The clues are solved through teamwork, people working together to solve a problem. We're forced to look at data and base analysis on facts.

This frustrates you. You're trying really hard to find ideology in there and signal virtue, but alas, the "evolutionary blowtorch" doesn't work that way.

You want quick, easy fixes with bold, anthemic slogans. You want to see Dear Leader bopping on stage to the Village People, hurling slogans at his maskless crowds, just as he'd throw MAGA caps to his adoring audience or paper towels out to incredulous hurricane survivors: we will make America GREAT again, STRONG again, BRAVE again...

All that did was see half a million deaths during his term - all up, more than Vietnam, WWII and September 11 put together. America has the largest covid toll in the world because its leadership said it was on YOU.

Mask mandates, social distancing, crowd control? YOU. Federal health policy, pandemic plan, national coordination? YOU. Fake cures, anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers?

You know who, dear. They'll never mention covid after I'm gone, no?

YOU.
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