greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:


Tribalism, Peccary - engage brain - you know better.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 3:01pm:


You misunderstood me. I am saying that our justice system is inadequate in dealing with rape precisely *because* it demands the same burden of proof as any other allegation.

Yes, rape *IS* different, and I'm frankly amazed I have to spell it out for you. Rape has been a male-privilege weapon since time immemorial. It is the ultimate tool of domination and oppression, with the specific aim of degrading and humiliating its victims. Of course it is compounded by the fact that it is such a biologically instinctive act that terrifyingly comes all too naturally for many men.

But thats just the start of it. Even worse is the cultural complexities surrounding it that stacks the cards against victims even further. We still have this sick cultural legacy of assuming the worst of women in such cases: the old caricature of the manipulative, seductive femme fatal who basically tricks men to 'rape' them, and then cries victim the next morning. So this creates a whole narrative around mixed messaging of the women, questioning around their choice of clothing etc. It leads to such incidences as an Australian judge seriously suggesting that "no sometimes means yes". Long story short, the victim invariably becomes the real culprit, while the culprit ends up as the victim. We still haven't shaken this sick cultural legacy off. Even if we can on occasions stop ourselves from making a martyr of the rapist, we still persist in 'slut shaming' the victim. Why were you out that night? Why did you have to come in seductive clothing, and of course the favourite fall-back - why were you drinking? 

Long story short, for any woman who is brave enough to report their allegation, they are in for a torrent of abuse and humiliation - on top of the abuse and humiliation they have already suffered. And for what? Statistics show an appalingly low conviction rate - and thats just counting the cases that actually make it to court. If you count the cases that the police drop before bringing charges, we're probably talking less than 5% conviction rate:

eg:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/5/7/why-do-so-few-rapes-result-in-a-conv...

Here is the undeniable truth grap, that I want you to at least acknowledge:

if a man is thinking about raping a woman, he can feel safe in the knowledge that he will almost certainly get away with it. And furthermore, that statistically, the least traumatic course of action for the victim will be simply to shut up and live with it in silence. And that is a trully faarked up situation.

If you can at least bring yourself to admit that this is the reality in our culture, then you might actually agree that what I am saying is true - that our justice system is wholly inadequate in dealing with this issue, and that something (I don't have a solution as to what) - needs to change. And then maybe, just maybe, you'll get off your ridiculous 'femi-nazis rule the world and men are an oppressed species' fantasy saddle.

Who here has 'seen the worst' in Brittany Higgins?  Certainly not me... I have always stated clearly that any bloke who needs to get a woman drunk to get a root is a dork, and in certain circumstances, given clear proof of intent - is guilty under certain laws of a form of rape.

At NO time have I criticised Higgins for anything but the failure to ensure the case by taking timely action and allowing clear evidence to be available.

Your presumptions about men in this society are, frankly, amazing, and nowhere near the truth.  Men have always been the first to wreak dire punishment on rapists - but there is, in this country, a technical requirement for proof beyond any reasonable doubt.

You are not permitted to act on your emotions; you are not permitted to create special laws for special groups; you are not permitted to make any judgement other than on the basis of the proven facts - not just statements - but facts supported by substantial corroborating evidence.

In this case, substantial corroborating evidence is in very short supply = zero, due to the actions of a number of people, including Brittany Higgins.

Your emotions are touching, your fervour admirable - but you must stick purely to proven and provable facts.

Gandalf - with all due respect - all those things you comment on are part and parcel of feminist rhetoric, propaganda, hyperbole and there is next to no solid evidence to support them.

You need only look at the surveys in universities, in which the figures were blandly inflated by adding into 'rape' figures' things that were nowhere near the  concept of rape.

You are so deeply in thrall to your feminist block kapos and perimeter guards - so very common these days in our houses of learning - that you cannot see the realities... frankly it is your Stockholm syndrome that is breathtaking.

I reject feminism for all the proper reasons - by its very name it is discriminatory; it is based on massive lies and distortions repeated over and over; it is nothing more than a path to power for people who do not wish to do all the hard yards, but consider they have Entitlement™ to fast tracking on account of past ills - which again are vastly exaggerated.

98% of people did not enter professions - it wasn't just women .... why is there any 'need' to push women primarily into the Brave New World nonsense of half-baked professionals on all sides and in every thing - thus according credibility to often rabid views - when clearly these New Professionals are so wrong on many counts?

Opportunities should be parceled out equally - unless our society begins to do so, it will self-destruct.

Sorry - no matter how much you huff and puff - you will NOT alter the flimsy defences of Law that currently exist, so as to make people guilty upon accusation.  The ratbags got away with that with their end run around law , via their 'domestic violence' "laws" - not only must they be prevented from going one step further - they must be driven back....

Ne Passerons!!

And what about me being raped by women.

They get him drunk
Screw him
Get deliberately pregnant
Bingo......income for a single screw.

Or when a woman says she is on the pill and isn't
Same deal
Pregnant....bingo.....income.

And don't say it dosent happen.
Go to any mining town, there are any number of miners brides living comfortably on half of some poor miners wage.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:


Yeah, just like you being honest and keeping your word about leaving the forum.

When peccarhead?  when ya gonna leave us and tale your troll socks with ya??????

There you go again - your entire argument is based on rhetoric and propaganda and ideology - and you call me unhinged?  In my view it is you and your feminist masters who are unhinged.

Your stated position on mangling the rule of law to suit your ideology shows that feminism is indeed the clear and present danger for the west, and ultimately for all citizens in it.

Going after me on a personal basis for being a true egaliatarian and humanitarian will do you no good.... when one man in the entire world is right - that man constitutes a majority of one.

P.S.  You are clearly talking to someone else - I never mentioned 'quotas' - nor am I the one or the party or the group who are pushing for them against the rules of law requiring equal treatment across the board.

Pushing one group to the exclusions of others is not 'quotas' - quotas are a formal notice of numbers.  Clearly you are showing how our modern education system has no idea what it is talking about beyond blind rhetoric.  BTW - you would prefer your nation and government to be run by 'at least 50%' of one specified group (the other group is nowhere guaranteed 50% - got that?  Quotas for women should be of 50% feminists of any sex, and 50% anti-feminists - not men and women) - the Hutu and the Tutsi?  The Reichsvolk and the Juden?

See?  You are off in fairyland and sound remarkably like certain others here who espouse the same religion as you.

Clearly it is not I am who am 'unhinged' - it is everyone who pursues your chosen ideology.

Grap, it is difficult to make sense of your rantings. But it seemed fairly clear to me you were referring to quotas when you said "Opportunities should be parceled out equally - unless our society begins to do so, it will self-destruct." - in the context of "entering professions". But its true, its difficult to make sense of your rants. Whatever you were trying to say, it was well off track from the relevant discussion on rape and achieving justice.

Also, stop making up crap. I specifically said I don't want to undermine the rule of law, so don't talk rubbish like "mangling the rule of law" being my "stated position".

Also don't play the "personal attack" card. Me saying your rantings are unhinged and that you are completely spellbound by a ridiculous femi-nazi conspiracy to oppress men - should be perfectly fine if its ok for you to repeatedly dismiss me as blinded by propaganda and under the spell of my "feminist masters".

Finally, don't ask stupid questions like "how do YOU know that this man raped Brittany Higgins?" - when I never said anything of the sort.