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Reply #120 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:20am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 10th, 2021 at 10:25am:
Grap, it is difficult to make sense of your rantings. But it seemed fairly clear to me you were referring to quotas when you said "Opportunities should be parceled out equally - unless our society begins to do so, it will self-destruct." - in the context of "entering professions". But its true, its difficult to make sense of your rants. Whatever you were trying to say, it was well off track from the relevant discussion on rape and achieving justice.

Also, stop making up crap. I specifically said I don't want to undermine the rule of law, so don't talk rubbish like "mangling the rule of law" being my "stated position".

Also don't play the "personal attack" card. Me saying your rantings are unhinged and that you are completely spellbound by a ridiculous femi-nazi conspiracy to oppress men - should be perfectly fine if its ok for you to repeatedly dismiss me as blinded by propaganda and under the spell of my "feminist masters".

Finally, don't ask stupid questions like "how do YOU know that this man raped Brittany Higgins?" - when I never said anything of the sort.


You were comfortably home when you said it was difficult for YOU to make sense.

Do you even begin to understand the full meaning and import of the current Labor quota - I'll try again - "at LEAST 50% women"... add to that the simple reality that EVERY Labor man is a feminist or fellow traveler..... then add to that the reality that many men in the 'opposition' are also feminists or fellow travelers.

How then does any view that disagrees with the current nonsense of 'gender wage gap', 'gender super gap' etc ever get a chance to stop or meaningfully alter these thrusts?

Like 'deaths in custody' - the facts speak massively differently from the rhetoric - as for 'wage' and 'super' gaps - you get what you earn and work for... nobody can guarantee you are going to equal everyone else.... and there are countless men and women who have little to no super in retirement and have been ripped off of genuine equal opportunity in many ways along the path to retirement.

As I said - 98% of people did not enter professions in the 1960's - women are not Robinson Crusoe... and you Johnny-come-latelys with all your profound knowledge really need to look at facts and realities.

As for Ms Higgins - there is zero substantial evidence, and no independent witness.  How then has this matter even proceeded into the courts with such a tiny hope of a 'conviction' based on prejudice and emotion, and pushed along by the wailings of the hordes in the streets who have no idea what they are talking about and have no personal knowledge of the events.

YOU are clear proof that this guy, regardless of guilt or innocence, will never receive a fair hearing.

If you can't follow me, son - learn to read English and apply your brain... I can't carry you all you life.

You will NOT install conviction by accusation in my country.
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Reply #121 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:31am
 
As for opportunities - since you clearly missed it - in 1986 in NSW the school and marking system was altered to 'more reflect the skills and abilities of girls who are currently oppressed in the schoolroom' - a complete and utter bullshit feminist nonsense pushed through as reality, and based on a single un-peer reviewed 'study done by some feminist in the US with a small group (seven I think) of 'troubled girls'.

Got that - girls who already had trouble, a tiny group that was supposed to somehow reflect the reality for every girl in the education system.

We've had affirmative action for women here since 1982 - I was working for the commonwealth at the time - and the wording was "PREFERENCE will be given to women, those from a non-English speaking background, and Aboriginal and Torres Straits Islanders".

You understand PREFERENCE?  Now tell me how that has changed, given that the public service is now over 70% women in soft jobs and good conditions, while young men languish on the dole queues or dig a day's ditches for casual.

When is it possible, do you think, that this push to 'equalise' women will actually result in equality?  It's been forty years, son, that's two generations at age 20 coming of age, and they still claim to be short-changed despite holding the vast majority of seats in tertiary education and in many job areas ... banking, real estate, public service, teaching, retail, management, and so on - all soft jobs requiring little effort for excellent return.

When will they declare equality and actually tough it out in direct competition with the men who built those social institutions?

Keep coming - your education has just begun for real for a change.

Homework:-  Explain how this blatant discrimination is actually consider not only acceptable, but mainstream and enshrined in our society.


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I used to say live and let live...
I used to vote for, give women a try,
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Reply #122 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:40am
 
Now then, Gandy - you yourself said that 'feminists' regarded this apparent issue between men and women as a war - rape, after all, is  male weapon, right?

What do you expect Everyman to do?  Sit back and be swept away and over-run by mad feminists bent on waging war on men and imagine that it is not happening to them?

What do they call a war to which only side comes prepared to make war?

A massacre.
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Reply #123 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:58am
 
christ on a spike grap... give it a rest. There is no need to make three separate posts every time you reply to me. At least stick to the topic. That should cut down your rants by about 90%.

So you were talking about quotas - after first denying it. Way to win some credibility there grap. And it has precisely what relevance to rape and the justice system? Oh thats right, its relevant because its all part of the grand evil plan of... what did you call it? oh yes, my "feminist masters". Such calm, measured rational arguments you have here.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:20am:
As for Ms Higgins - there is zero substantial evidence, and no independent witness.  How then has this matter even proceeded into the courts with such a tiny hope of a 'conviction' based on prejudice and emotion, and pushed along by the wailings of the hordes in the streets who have no idea what they are talking about and have no personal knowledge of the events.


Statistically then, she doesn't have a snowflakes chance in hell of getting him convicted then. I thought that should please you - she will be dragged through the mud, humiliated and forced relive and recount her alleged trauma - and then she gets to be called a liar by people like you - when her case is thrown out. Win win right?
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Reply #124 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 12:39pm
 
Women, when given the opportunity, are prejudiced against men.

Look at the school system.
It's a complete mess, men are ostracized and hounded out of teaching and most senior positions.
But has the school system improved the education for our children?

No, in fact, the education standards are dropping at a rate never before seen.
Self harm and suicide is increasing in children.
The young adults leaving school are virtually illiterate and can barely do basic addition and subtraction.

Many leave school with behavioral problems.
I look at these things and think "this is what happens when women take over"

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Reply #125 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 5:53pm
 
Homework (you will be graded severely on your answers):-

1.  What if the public service, in 1981, had installed a policy that "preference will be given to men, TFANESB, and AATSI."

2.  What if a party today had a policy that "there must be 50% or greater representation by men"... how about we make that "old White men"..?

Gandy - you would not stop screaming.... give it a rest?  When the feminist parasitism is laid to rest will be the time to relax ... until then the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

No - YOU were talking about quotas - I was discussing Preference™ - two totally separate issues.

Clearly your education is lacking...... see comment by Valkie.

Preference™ is unlimited - Quota™ has a definite stop. Neither is acceptable under a Rule of Law that requires/demands that all be treated equally.  It is time that regulation and in-house policy was brought into line with the requirements of Law.
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Reply #126 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 6:04pm
 
Jesus Christ gandolf ... did you have to get the old white male victim going again? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #127 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 6:28pm
 
F-
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.. see how they run like pigs from a gun, when the questions are hard.... see how they fly...
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Reply #128 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 6:32pm
 
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Our esteemed leader:
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Reply #129 - Nov 10th, 2021 at 6:35pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:58am:
christ on a spike grap... give it a rest. There is no need to make three separate posts every time you reply to me. At least stick to the topic. That should cut down your rants by about 90%.

So you were talking about quotas - after first denying it. Way to win some credibility there grap. And it has precisely what relevance to rape and the justice system? Oh thats right, its relevant because its all part of the grand evil plan of... what did you call it? oh yes, my "feminist masters". Such calm, measured rational arguments you have here.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 10th, 2021 at 11:20am:
As for Ms Higgins - there is zero substantial evidence, and no independent witness.  How then has this matter even proceeded into the courts with such a tiny hope of a 'conviction' based on prejudice and emotion, and pushed along by the wailings of the hordes in the streets who have no idea what they are talking about and have no personal knowledge of the events.


Statistically then, she doesn't have a snowflakes chance in hell of getting him convicted then. I thought that should please you - she will be dragged through the mud, humiliated and forced relive and recount her alleged trauma - and then she gets to be called a liar by people like you - when her case is thrown out. Win win right?



You are so ideologically fixated - I never said anything of the kind and have never called her a liar.  She was drunk, she has a drunken recollection, there is zero evidence that any form of sexual activity took place and she said he was on top of her.. she did not say he penetrated her .... there is no substantial evidence.... she may have been mistaken, he may have had a snuggle without going further ...  but I never once called her a liar, or expected or would appreciate her being 'dragged through the mud', and would slap anyone down who did.

Christ you're slow.

So it's OK to drag the guy through the mud, as you and Smith and others are doing, without a shred of solid evidence - but you figure that in making her complaint someone else is dragging her through the mud?  Well, it ain't me... and I do not permit the Law to be dragged through the mud, either. She DID make a public song and dance about it first.... before allowing any investigation to even begin.... who is dragging her through the mud again?

You would drag him through mud for miles behind two mad horses, then tear him apart in a public square... on the basis of a drunken half-recollection.  And you criticise me.

Get your mind right.... one day I hope, if you get what you wish, that it will be you behind the horses...  I really do. Smith of course, in the same position, would be the ultimate victim and would be screeching about it all the way and screaming about the injustice of it all ...... I'd love to see that.

You know what - I wouldn't step in to help, either.  I'll make an exception to my rule above that I would not permit the Law to be dragged through the mud in your case.  You, sir, are the liar, and have lost all right to humanity.

P.S.  One held in thrall and delusion cannot identify that he is in such a state... blissful ignorance.  Usually life experience sorts that out..... listen to me and you will be a much richer man at the end of your life....

None of you ever imagine it will happen to you, since you are 'good guys' - being a good guy is no protection from guilt by accusation.
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Reply #130 - Nov 11th, 2021 at 2:19pm
 
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1.  What if the public service, in 1981, had installed a policy that "preference will be given to men, TFANESB, and AATSI."

2.  What if a party today had a policy that "there must be 50% or greater representation by men"... how about we make that "old White men"..?

Gandy - you would not stop screaming


Finally, you got something right.
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Reply #131 - Nov 12th, 2021 at 8:14am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 11th, 2021 at 2:19pm:
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1.  What if the public service, in 1981, had installed a policy that "preference will be given to men, TFANESB, and AATSI."

2.  What if a party today had a policy that "there must be 50% or greater representation by men"... how about we make that "old White men"..?

Gandy - you would not stop screaming


Finally, you got something right.


Finally you see what I have been saying all along - ergo - everything I've said so far is right.

Nah, then - what about that quota nonsense for women etc?  You still find quotas and affirmative action acceptable, simply because they are not in favour of men?

Fifth Columnist.... We the People will decide who we want to be our political representatives - not some smoke-shrouded and whiskey/wine engulfed back room party meeting.... got that?

If Labor - the party of the sheilas these days - was honest and actually wanted to win an election, they would allow each branch to put up its chosen candidate, and would not have the Central Bureau dictating quotas and inserting outsiders into branches for pre-selection.

IF the chosen party branch candidates happened to be women - so be it - but if they happened to be men - also and EQUALLY so be it.

You're starting to work out why Labor finds it so hard to win unlosable elections.

In the meantime we, the People, are stuck between a rock and a hard place - one form of stupid and petty dictatorship or the other.

And no - you will NOT enshrine in law the right of anyone to have a person convicted on accusation, as you and others have already done with the accused in the Higgins case.  Just because you come from some petty third world dictatorship, and this once proud nation is rapidly descending into just that - doesn't mean you will dictate to others here, Real Australians, what they will accept as 'law'.  There are rules here... and not your rules.... and they will re restored, upheld and reinforced, lest civil war break out for real.
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Reply #132 - Nov 18th, 2021 at 11:29am
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #133 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 12:32pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #134 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 5:50pm
 
Define 'sexual harassment'.....in this context... Sexual Harassment is meant to be the applying of pressure by a superior in order to gain possible sexual favours... of course the lines of what it is and was have been deliberately blurred so that all kinds of things are now 'included' - just like 'domestic violence' - that other one way street.  This issue is indeed one about power - in many ways and not just one, same as DV etc, which seeks to CREATE a serious imbalance of power within personal relationships as a cure for an imbalance of power within personal relationships (DUH).

The Higgins Allegations .... must be tested fully to the proper standard of law in a properly constituted court, not a Kangaroo court, and must not be governed by fear of public outrage, pressure from hostile media, or emotional outbursts and pressure from any source.

This is not some Star Chamber university 'tribunal' playing with a set of loaded dice, that turns the burden of proof on its head as it pleases.

This could indeed be a Rubicon that must be crossed at some time... certainly perhaps a watershed in several ways.
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