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Reply #135 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:01pm
 
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #136 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:09pm
 
No details in the link, and no definitions of what constitutes 'sexual harassment' in context.  We need that to get a starting point.

"Largely driven by power imbalances, gender inequality and exclusion and a lack of accountability,"

Where is the evidence for these conclusions?  How is there, for example, 'exclusion' given the number of female staff etc?  How is there 'gender inequality' when they all receive the same pay etc?  You no like - no work for that office.....

This is becoming a hobby horse... not a trial of facts.
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Reply #137 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:33pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #138 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:48pm
 
https://www.cpahq.org/media/s20j1lws/cwp-gender-sensitizing-guidelines.pdf

Some meat for yez to chew on...

Ancillary Question not on subject:-  When is the movement to empower all others equally alongside women going to start?  You know, the groups not based on gender identity but rather on social, monetary, or (for want of a better word) class identity?

Is this just another bug hunt where the brick wall is at the end of 'equalising' the chosen group - a process that never, ever ends, or is ithis going to be a stand-up fight?

"We have reason to believe a gendermorph is involved" ....

"It's another bug hunt....."
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Reply #139 - Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:53pm
 
More raw meat for the peanut gallery - some good stuff here but I'd prefer the source:-

https://theconversation.com/the-jenkins-review-has-28-recommendations-to-fix-par...

Still can't find the original report in full for all the details, for analysis.... just the blurbs that came after it.

Note:- "As one interviewee reported:

    Aspiring male politicians who thought nothing of, in one case, picking you up, kissing you on the lips, lifting you up, touching you, pats on the bottom, comments about appearance, you know, the usual. The point I make with that… was the culture allowed it, encouraged it."


Unacceptable behaviour in the main, but it's one interviewee.  One Farrow Spart a Spring maketh not.
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Reply #140 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:08am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:33pm:


One has to ask why it took such allegations to get such a thing on the table. Politicians and staff are handed the sacred duty of husbanding this country on our behalf - they must therefore abide by a higher standard of behaviour, and must curb their animal instincts and exercise self-discipline and not a sense of absolute Entitlement™.
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Reply #141 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:24am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:33pm:


One has to ask why it took such allegations to get such a thing on the table. Politicians and staff are handed the sacred duty of husbanding this country on our behalf - they must therefore abide by a higher standard of behaviour, and must curb their animal instincts and exercise self-discipline and not a sense of absolute Entitlement™.


Yes but......

We all know that politicians are liars, criminals and as corrupt as any criminal organisation on earth.

No one in their right mind would put a politician up as a moral example.

That would be like putting a used car salesman as a model of integrity.
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Reply #142 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:25am
 
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:33pm:


One has to ask why it took such allegations to get such a thing on the table. Politicians and staff are handed the sacred duty of husbanding this country on our behalf - they must therefore abide by a higher standard of behaviour, and must curb their animal instincts and exercise self-discipline and not a sense of absolute Entitlement™.


Yes but......

We all know that politicians are liars, criminals and as corrupt as any criminal organisation on earth.

No one in their right mind would put a politician up as a moral example.

That would be like putting a used car salesman as a model of integrity.



There are three major organised crime groups in Australia - the political group, the judiciary, and those granted the privilege of upholding law.  Public  service is a subsidiary of those.

Always have been - still are.
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Reply #143 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:29am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:25am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:33pm:


One has to ask why it took such allegations to get such a thing on the table. Politicians and staff are handed the sacred duty of husbanding this country on our behalf - they must therefore abide by a higher standard of behaviour, and must curb their animal instincts and exercise self-discipline and not a sense of absolute Entitlement™.


Yes but......

We all know that politicians are liars, criminals and as corrupt as any criminal organisation on earth.

No one in their right mind would put a politician up as a moral example.

That would be like putting a used car salesman as a model of integrity.



There are three major organised crime groups in Australia - the political group, the judiciary, and those granted the privilege of upholding law.  Public  service is a subsidiary of those.

Always have been - still are.


Never a truer word spoken.

The reason the grubberment come down on criminals........they hate competition.

From what I hear, they are trying to work out a way to use scamming as yet another tool in their arsenal.
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Reply #144 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 9:00am
 
There is the exception that there are many honest politicians and the ones refusing to have a independent investigation body looking into their rort's are not amongst them.
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Reply #145 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 11:46am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 6:09pm:
No details in the link, and no definitions of what constitutes 'sexual harassment' in context.  We need that to get a starting point.

"Largely driven by power imbalances, gender inequality and exclusion and a lack of accountability,"

Where is the evidence for these conclusions?  How is there, for example, 'exclusion' given the number of female staff etc?  How is there 'gender inequality' when they all receive the same pay etc?  You no like - no work for that office.....

This is becoming a hobby horse... not a trial of facts.


In one of my jobs, we all had to undertake harassment and equal opportunity training every year.
( that's what happens when the entire HR department is female)
One particular one was a standout.
The "trainer" was a screaming dyke.
It was anti male from start to finish.
And the whole time she was flirting with a shela in the front row.

There was an electronic questionnaire at the end with a 100% pass required.
You could sit it as many times as it took to sink in.

Every question was loaded so that everything, no matter how minor was considered sexual harassment.
The only way to pass was to simply state that all men were sexual molesters.

For example
Jane walks into a room with Peter.
Which is the correct response.
Peter stands and offers his had and says hello Jane.
Peter stands and moves around the desk and offers Jane a seat.
Peter remains seated and asks Jane to have a seat.
Peter remains seated, looks up and asks Jane what she wants.

The first is demonstrating his masculine superiority, as he knows Jane is weaker and cannot return a firm handshake.

The second is demonstrating his higher status as a male and makes Jane feel uncomfortable.

The third is dismissal of Jane as a person and by staying behind his desk he disrespects her.

The fourth is the worst as it encompasses all of the above, making Jane both uncomfortable and subservient.

The correct answer is none of the above.

This isn't word for word, but the context is the same.

We were instructed
Not to make first move with clients when female. If she offers her hand then shake it lightly.
Not to comment on clothing or quality of work other than as a direct conclusion to the examination of the content.
Not to make eye contact for longer than a few seconds.
Not to discuss any subject other than work.
Keep a respectful distance
If unknown or not stated as to the correct title, Mz must be used until advise otherwise.

Note, no list of how to approach male clients was provided.

This is equality in action.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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