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Reply #60 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:46am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:35am:
I don't know whether Higgins was raped or not... what I do know is that any solid evidence was long gone before anything happened at all.  I've commented, months ago, on the lack of positive work by the 'security' staff, who obviously are/were 'in the loop' as regards night-time liaisons inside Parliament House... something I trust is now forbidden, and yet poor darkened phil thinks I'm gunning for St Britanny and that I hate Niqqers and such...

I just demand that Law be adhered to - and phil must realise that a charge is not positive proof of anything - and is not a conviction.

Given the recent history of these kinds of things, a verdict of 'guilty' will come about through emotion and not sense..... and for fear of a negative reaction if the Law is properly adhered to... sheilas marching in the streets, most of whom have zero idea what they are marching about - and so forth - and the cowards will all run.

Aussie's comments on Canberra Dastardliness are pretty right.  I commented on the apparent cover-up from Day One - that's for you, dopey phil... but St Brittany did her 'cause' no favours by not doing anything for days.... very like the Hayne case...

Learn to read, you racist semi-literate dick-head.

For the illiterate and stupid here - guilt by accusation will NOT become the law of this land even if the accuser is a woman or a black or something ..... I will go to war if it does, and that ain't pretty.

It's pretty unfair that someone can be charged for something on the word of another, i want Brittany charged for raping me 5yrs ago down the beach, i was to drunk to say no at the time.
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Reply #61 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 7:36pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:46am:
It's pretty unfair that someone can be charged for something on the word of another,



most rapes don't occur in the public area ... in the end it's always ones word against another
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Reply #62 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 7:55pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 11:54pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 11:44pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 11:34pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 11:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 3:44pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 3:37pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 30th, 2021 at 9:19pm:
This has all the hallmarks of political interference all over it. This bloke had fuqqed around for many months obfuscating for Morrison, now it uses this petty garbage excuse.

Link.

So....bottom line?

Morrison has 'successfully' duck shoved this until after the election.

I hope Labour get right up him in QT when they can but the smug shallow arsehole will just brush it off with......'sub judice' rubbish.

Fuqqed if I can see a link (any link...let alone a relevant link) between a question about when Morrison's Office first became aware of this alleged incident and a fair trial for the accused.

Morrison initiated the investigation. Legal advice says it may impede the Higgins alleged rape trial, sounds like standard procedure and out of Morrison's control.


It is not arm's length legal opinion.  The opinion here comes from blokes inside Government, thus they have a very vested interest if they like to have a job.

It seems you have a very shallow view of how politics/public servants work.

All Morrison has to do is give a back door command and some minion will provide whatever arse tin-playing he wants.

That head bloke inside his own Department could and should have delivered his findings many many months ago.

This is all duck shoving prevarication/obfuscation to at least after the next election.


This has the feel of truth to it.... good work.

You forget one thing, there is not one scrap of proof so there is no good work done, none at all.



No, no, no - I was commenting on Aussie's view that MorrisonCo was doing 'standard operating procedure' to stuff up any case.  Muddying the waters was a hallmark of this issue from Day One - Reporting Day... unlike - say - philperth, I have no way of knowing that any offence actually occurred, and I've already said a great dis-service was done in there not being immediate action.

Obviously phil is too stupid or too narrow-minded or too drunk to understand English and see that any charge requires proof.  I doubt he'll ever be on a jury with that kind of mentality. He simply does not understand that good Law benefits all.... how many of his beloved Kaffir would not go to prison if the full standards of law were upheld as regards evidence?  And yet he wants to hang this man because a woman made the claim.... sorry - not sufficient... it needs EVIDENCE... if this guy was one of his beloved Blacks, would he have the same standard and demand instant conviction?

HOWEVER - that does not mean that I should accept that the accused is guilty because of any charge... this is anathema to OUR law and must never be permitted under any circumstances.

No compelling substantial evidence - no conviction... that's the principle, and it is better that ten guilty persons go free than that one innocent hang... IF there is compelling evidence and it shows guilt, I've always said this guy should hang..... but we - dear phil and I - simply cannot judge.

Aussie was right about the Canberra Bastardry in action... that's what I was saying was good work...

Aussie believes Higgins was raped and Morrison has a part to play because he is the PM and it happened in his place.


Yer not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are you, Bundy.

I have never said that I believe Higgins was raped, and I have never said that Morrison played any part in that rape event.

I do assert that Morrison is in micro control of what his public servants and staffers say on the matter of WHEN Morrison's Office was made aware of the alleged event.

That is what the smug arsehole is covering up and prevaricating on, claiming (via proxy) legal advice allegedly received from some receptionist in the AG's Office (by the proxy) prevents the bloke (the proxy) in Morrison's Office from telling us what he should have been able to tell us many, many months ago, before anyone was charged.
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Reply #63 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 8:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 31st, 2021 at 11:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 9:34am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 12th, 2021 at 2:42am:
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.. and you called me a defender of alleged rapists for stating the facts  - I said you would make a great Nazi given your propensity to condemn anyone on accusation and to throw away the rule of law to get what you think is right...

You ain't nuthin' but a smart mouthed, stupid-ass, swamp-runnin' Niqqer...

You have no idea of the very vast difference between a charge and a conviction to the proper standard.  Haven't you ever heard of Inspector Bias?  Sets out to make a case and ensure all the 'evidence' points one way, and doesn't look at anything else?

That's you....

I ask you again - where is the Proof Positive that he even had sex with her?  Did she immediately report it?  Did she go to a medical facility for a swab?  Was there ever any physical evidence of sexual intercourse that was recorded?  Did the security staff even smell raunch?  did they even say there was a distinctive smell in the room?

Or did she wait for days and weeks to make any complaint?

Sounds like Jarryd Hayne - days/weeks later the 'victim' saw a a doctor who said the scratch on her vagina might have been a bite mark.

Who in the name of god bites pussy??

Get with it, boy Nazi in waiting....... talk about slow and way behind....

Sometimes, like John Smith and a few others, you make a valid point... stick to what you actually know instead of spouting off, you smart mouthed, stupid-ass, swamp-runnin' Niqqer...


The police and prosecutor determined there was enough evidence to charge this bloke with rape you dickhead not me....You are sprouting off bullshit racist crap as usual to defend your ignorance and stupidity....Typical butt hurt racist white supremist behaviour....As you have no idea what evidence the Prosecution have it is you who is making baseless assumptions to support your crap not me....Your rants are full of racist comments that say more about you than those you chose to denigrate....You are a disgusting piece of crap Grappler with reality!!!

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A charge is not a guarantee of conviction or guilt - UNLESS you are an Ayatollah in Iran or somewhere similar - though our 'legal system' has always been weighted against the accused and 'magistrates' definitely work on the same values as Ayatollahs do, contrary to the Rule of OUR Law... you see, unlike the Ayatollah, we don't have the privilege of total belief that Allah will sort out any wrong done to someone charged, so convicting and executing them 'just in case they are guilty' doesn't quite work the same way.

Are you a God Believer and think that any wrong done to any individual will be resolved in Heaven?  If not - why do you support kangaroo court convictions based on accusation only without compelling evidence?

As I said - the opportunity to gather convincing and possibly conclusive evidence was long gone by the time this issue ever arose.... and it is an undying principle of mine that any accusation must be supported by substantial evidence and cannot rely exclusively on versions of events.

You should know that, given that such a stance would obliterate many police claims, including traffic etc things... surely as a Niqqer-Lover over there you would have to agree with that principle...

Whatever you think about it, that is the letter of the law even if it is not adhered to in 'courts'... yet it must be adhered to even if it 'costs' the state money for reasons of basic principles and rights ... that is what we pay them for....

Get with it.

Quite frankly, using your standards, you are totally stupid, uneducated, uninformed, and a proto-Fascist who would love to see rights destroyed as long as it suits some idea of your own.  You obviously know nothing and have no real principles unless you can see benefit for your chosen groups... it is certainly not I who am the racist - the Hayne case had nothing to do with race, you dickhead.


Your comments are complete bullshit....There has been no conviction you dickhead and you are a racist prick....Why deny it when it is self evident???

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Reply #64 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 10:54pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 8:18pm:
Your comments are complete bullshit....There has been no conviction you dickhead and you are a racist prick....Why deny it when it is self evident???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I gave you the privilege of reading your crap, boy - like some others, you just get worse with every stupid utterance you make.... something wrong with you lot over that way....

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Reply #65 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:57pm
 
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Reply #66 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:11pm
 
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I don't know whether Higgins was raped or not... what I do know is that any solid evidence was long gone before anything happened at all.


you know no such thing. None of us do.

I do recall though that security camera footage from the room in question was handed over to the police, and for all we know is being used to support the prosecution's case.
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Reply #67 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm
 
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......
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Reply #68 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.
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Reply #69 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 5:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.



Their entrances and their exits... none of which shows sexual intercourse.... and I cannot see where there is any available evidence that sexual intercourse even took place... those birds had long flown by the time any effort was made. Where is the stained dress... the torn vaginal wall... the deposits inside...

All there is, is security staff half-doing their job finding the woman either naked or half-naked on the couch, and Ms Higgins' totally inebriated recollection of waking up with him on top of her.

On a darker side - this is an extension of the feminist insanity that men should be convicted on accusation, regardless of hard evidence, and the fervent hope in pursuing this charge is that in the modern day and age, an unthinking jury will find guilt where no evidence indicates it, purely on the basis of their emotions and their feelings about 'poor victims'.
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Reply #70 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.



Their entrances and their exits... none of which shows sexual intercourse.... and I cannot see where there is any available evidence that sexual intercourse even took place... those birds had long flown by the time any effort was made. Where is the stained dress... the torn vaginal wall... the deposits inside...

All there is, is security staff half-doing their job finding the woman either naked or half-naked on the couch, and Ms Higgins' totally inebriated recollection of waking up with him on top of her.

On a darker side - this is an extension of the feminist insanity that men should be convicted on accusation, regardless of hard evidence, and the fervent hope in pursuing this charge is that in the modern day and age, an unthinking jury will find guilt where no evidence indicates it, purely on the basis of their emotions and their feelings about 'poor victims'.


Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.

But if a man is drunk and a waman has sexual intercourse with the man ...its his fault.

If she drinks too much.....its his fault.
If she comes to his private room in a motel....its his fault.
If she decides that she didnt like it, or sees an opportunity for advancement....its his fault.

Women have been seducing men to take advantage of the situation for as long as human kind has existed.
Only now have they the ability to claim all manner of "abuses" years and even decades after the supposed act.

A rape is when the woman is taken unwillingly and reports it immediately.
Sexual assault is the same, if its not reported, there has to be some doubt.

We are now at the ludicrous stage when a man must gain both verbal and written acknowledgement of willing female participation in an act of love or sex, but even that will be open to interpretation eventually.

I can see a time when a man will have to have recorded evidence of willingness on the behalf of a woman (at various stages of coitus).
He will have to have blood samples of the female dated and retained as evidence that she is not drunk or drugged.
Written confirmation, with witness or witnesses.

The only safe male these days is a dole bludging male who has nothing any woman can get from him.
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Reply #71 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:38am
 
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.



Their entrances and their exits... none of which shows sexual intercourse.... and I cannot see where there is any available evidence that sexual intercourse even took place... those birds had long flown by the time any effort was made. Where is the stained dress... the torn vaginal wall... the deposits inside...

All there is, is security staff half-doing their job finding the woman either naked or half-naked on the couch, and Ms Higgins' totally inebriated recollection of waking up with him on top of her.

On a darker side - this is an extension of the feminist insanity that men should be convicted on accusation, regardless of hard evidence, and the fervent hope in pursuing this charge is that in the modern day and age, an unthinking jury will find guilt where no evidence indicates it, purely on the basis of their emotions and their feelings about 'poor victims'.


Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.

But if a man is drunk and a waman has sexual intercourse with the man ...its his fault.

If she drinks too much.....its his fault.
If she comes to his private room in a motel....its his fault.
If she decides that she didnt like it, or sees an opportunity for advancement....its his fault.

Women have been seducing men to take advantage of the situation for as long as human kind has existed.
Only now have they the ability to claim all manner of "abuses" years and even decades after the supposed act.

A rape is when the woman is taken unwillingly and reports it immediately.
Sexual assault is the same, if its not reported, there has to be some doubt.

We are now at the ludicrous stage when a man must gain both verbal and written acknowledgement of willing female participation in an act of love or sex, but even that will be open to interpretation eventually.

I can see a time when a man will have to have recorded evidence of willingness on the behalf of a woman (at various stages of coitus).
He will have to have blood samples of the female dated and retained as evidence that she is not drunk or drugged.
Written confirmation, with witness or witnesses.

The only safe male these days is a dole bludging male who has nothing any woman can get from him.


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Reply #72 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm
 
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.



you really struggle don't you? The man is merely responsible for having sex with the drunk woman.

Have you always needed to get woman drunk to sleep with you valkie?
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Reply #73 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 6:38pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.



you really struggle don't you? The man is merely responsible for having sex with the drunk woman.

Have you always needed to get woman drunk to sleep with you valkie?


And if the guy is the drunk one or they both are? It's a view that victimises women, saying they cannot handle their alcohol and men can and therefore women should not drink, well unless they accompanied by a brother or father. Women cannot be trusted to be self directed agents, they are inferior and need coddling..
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Reply #74 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:47pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.



you really struggle don't you? The man is merely responsible for having sex with the drunk woman.

Have you always needed to get woman drunk to sleep with you valkie?


Is she equally responsible for having sex with him while he was drunk?

A little off the topic of whether or not sex took place without her consent, even by willing participation..... but still... an important issue.

WHY are men always responsible for the actions of women?
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