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Re: The Higgins allegations
Reply #75 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:48pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 6:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.



you really struggle don't you? The man is merely responsible for having sex with the drunk woman.

Have you always needed to get woman drunk to sleep with you valkie?


And if the guy is the drunk one or they both are? It's a view that victimises women, saying they cannot handle their alcohol and men can and therefore women should not drink, well unless they accompanied by a brother or father. Women cannot be trusted to be self directed agents, they are inferior and need coddling..


Ah!!  The Muslims have it right then!!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Re: The Higgins allegations
Reply #76 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:51pm
 
Jim Lahey wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:38am:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.



Their entrances and their exits... none of which shows sexual intercourse.... and I cannot see where there is any available evidence that sexual intercourse even took place... those birds had long flown by the time any effort was made. Where is the stained dress... the torn vaginal wall... the deposits inside...

All there is, is security staff half-doing their job finding the woman either naked or half-naked on the couch, and Ms Higgins' totally inebriated recollection of waking up with him on top of her.

On a darker side - this is an extension of the feminist insanity that men should be convicted on accusation, regardless of hard evidence, and the fervent hope in pursuing this charge is that in the modern day and age, an unthinking jury will find guilt where no evidence indicates it, purely on the basis of their emotions and their feelings about 'poor victims'.


Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.

But if a man is drunk and a waman has sexual intercourse with the man ...its his fault.

If she drinks too much.....its his fault.
If she comes to his private room in a motel....its his fault.
If she decides that she didnt like it, or sees an opportunity for advancement....its his fault.

Women have been seducing men to take advantage of the situation for as long as human kind has existed.
Only now have they the ability to claim all manner of "abuses" years and even decades after the supposed act.

A rape is when the woman is taken unwillingly and reports it immediately.
Sexual assault is the same, if its not reported, there has to be some doubt.

We are now at the ludicrous stage when a man must gain both verbal and written acknowledgement of willing female participation in an act of love or sex, but even that will be open to interpretation eventually.

I can see a time when a man will have to have recorded evidence of willingness on the behalf of a woman (at various stages of coitus).
He will have to have blood samples of the female dated and retained as evidence that she is not drunk or drugged.
Written confirmation, with witness or witnesses.

The only safe male these days is a dole bludging male who has nothing any woman can get from him.


Morning Shorty.

Do you feel threatened by women over 5 ft?

I'm curious.



You prick - don't strike through my reasonable post which merely looks impartially at the situation.

Mods - eat this guy alive.....   Grin Grin Grin Grin   G'day, Greg... get some sleep lad....
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Re: The Higgins allegations
Reply #77 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:51pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.



Their entrances and their exits... none of which shows sexual intercourse.... and I cannot see where there is any available evidence that sexual intercourse even took place... those birds had long flown by the time any effort was made. Where is the stained dress... the torn vaginal wall... the deposits inside...

All there is, is security staff half-doing their job finding the woman either naked or half-naked on the couch, and Ms Higgins' totally inebriated recollection of waking up with him on top of her.

On a darker side - this is an extension of the feminist insanity that men should be convicted on accusation, regardless of hard evidence, and the fervent hope in pursuing this charge is that in the modern day and age, an unthinking jury will find guilt where no evidence indicates it, purely on the basis of their emotions and their feelings about 'poor victims'.

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Re: The Higgins allegations
Reply #78 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 6:58am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.



you really struggle don't you? The man is merely responsible for having sex with the drunk woman.

Have you always needed to get woman drunk to sleep with you valkie?


Is she equally responsible for having sex with him while he was drunk?

A little off the topic of whether or not sex took place without her consent, even by willing participation..... but still... an important issue.

WHY are men always responsible for the actions of women?


No, No, get with the plan.

Women want equal treatment .....when its to their advantage.

But they also want "affirmative" action (preferential treatment) when its to their advantage.

Men are called morons, but must be responsible for women and what they do.
If she comes to a mans room under her own volition, what does she expect? a discussion about politics?

You are responsible for what you do, its all up to you.
If you get drunk, its your own fault.
If you are incapable of controlling yourself, simple ....don't drink.

Of course, true rape or sexual harassment is different.
But if its not immediately reported... there must be some doubt.

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Re: The Higgins allegations
Reply #79 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:01am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:51pm:
Jim Lahey wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:38am:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 2:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:39pm:
I was of the understanding that ministerial offices were not under direct video surveillance, and were sacred sites built on absolute trust... you can't have meetings recorded and details leaked.......


Perhaps not in the actual ministerial suite then, but there is ctv footage that the police have held on to. Also there may be other evidence that no one apart from the police know of.



Their entrances and their exits... none of which shows sexual intercourse.... and I cannot see where there is any available evidence that sexual intercourse even took place... those birds had long flown by the time any effort was made. Where is the stained dress... the torn vaginal wall... the deposits inside...

All there is, is security staff half-doing their job finding the woman either naked or half-naked on the couch, and Ms Higgins' totally inebriated recollection of waking up with him on top of her.

On a darker side - this is an extension of the feminist insanity that men should be convicted on accusation, regardless of hard evidence, and the fervent hope in pursuing this charge is that in the modern day and age, an unthinking jury will find guilt where no evidence indicates it, purely on the basis of their emotions and their feelings about 'poor victims'.


Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.

But if a man is drunk and a waman has sexual intercourse with the man ...its his fault.

If she drinks too much.....its his fault.
If she comes to his private room in a motel....its his fault.
If she decides that she didnt like it, or sees an opportunity for advancement....its his fault.

Women have been seducing men to take advantage of the situation for as long as human kind has existed.
Only now have they the ability to claim all manner of "abuses" years and even decades after the supposed act.

A rape is when the woman is taken unwillingly and reports it immediately.
Sexual assault is the same, if its not reported, there has to be some doubt.

We are now at the ludicrous stage when a man must gain both verbal and written acknowledgement of willing female participation in an act of love or sex, but even that will be open to interpretation eventually.

I can see a time when a man will have to have recorded evidence of willingness on the behalf of a woman (at various stages of coitus).
He will have to have blood samples of the female dated and retained as evidence that she is not drunk or drugged.
Written confirmation, with witness or witnesses.

The only safe male these days is a dole bludging male who has nothing any woman can get from him.


Morning Shorty.

Do you feel threatened by women over 5 ft?

I'm curious.



You prick - don't strike through my reasonable post which merely looks impartially at the situation.

Mods - eat this guy alive.....   Grin Grin Grin Grin   G'day, Greg... get some sleep lad....


Ignore peccarheads alter ego, I do.

Its pathetic attempts at engaging in similar stupidity just isnt worth it.

It must be so sad for peccarhead to throw out all these socks to attack anyone who keeps reminding him that.......

He promised to leave the forum if Trum won.

Trump won
TRUMP WON
TRUMP WON

BUT PECCARHEAD, THE LIAR....IS STILL INFESTING THE FORUM WITH HIS PATHETIC TROLL SOCKS.
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Re: The Higgins allegations
Reply #80 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:08am
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 6:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm:
Valkie wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:14am:
Men are now responsible for women's actions when drunk.
If a woman is drunk and has sexual intercourse with a man its his fault.



you really struggle don't you? The man is merely responsible for having sex with the drunk woman.

Have you always needed to get woman drunk to sleep with you valkie?


And if the guy is the drunk one or they both are? It's a view that victimises women, saying they cannot handle their alcohol and men can and therefore women should not drink, well unless they accompanied by a brother or father. Women cannot be trusted to be self directed agents, they are inferior and need coddling..


What a load of bullshit....Have you ever contemplated that Brittney Higgins was raped and telling the truth???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #81 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:13am
 
And she was unconscious. Just saying.
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Reply #82 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:29am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:13am:
And she was unconscious. Just saying.


So she recalls how?  I'm just presenting facts here.. I say, you say... adds up to the same thing.

He's a dork if he took advantage, and if he did so by design, he is an asshole... but security of the populace demands that there be zero conviction upon accusation, regardless that this has been permitted through our courts for many decades when the accuser is police.

To accord to any person or group any special status via being 'persons of standing in the community' is contrary to our Law, and according to women the status of having higher standing than men is also contrary to our Law.  We continue to suffer from an incredible system of 'class', wherein employer has more value than employee, ordinary person has less value than a farmer, wife of politician is somehow seen as a higher calling than being a taxi driver when it comes to a traffic accident etc.....

What is not and never can be acceptable is handing to women higher status under Law.

You should know that from what happens to your Abo mates, mothra, on a near daily basis.

In this sense we are all in the same boat, and the disingenuous 'differences' between people on the basis of colour are misleading at best, and malicious at worst.
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Reply #83 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:51am
 
She recalls how? Are you kidding?

Stepping entirely over your utter ignorance of the the female body, the fact she awoke naked may have been a clue.

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Reply #84 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:59am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:51am:
She recalls how? Are you kidding?

Stepping entirely over your utter ignorance of the the female body, the fact she awoke naked may have been a clue.




You said she was "unconscious"... got that so far..... so how does she accurately recall anything in her state?  There are countless reasons she may have awoken naked.

Exactly which part of the female body was examined in a timely fashion so as to ascertain her status?

How DID she come to awaken naked???  Tell us ...........
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Reply #85 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:05am
 
Thank Christ the laws have moved on past you. Jesus.
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Reply #86 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:12am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:05am:
Thank Christ the laws have moved on past you. Jesus.


OH?  and exactly which changes are you talking about?  Now a woman must be totally presumed to be telling the truth regardless of all other considerations, and that is sufficient to send the one she accuses to prison?

When did they bring in that one?

IF that is the case - and it can never be under the proper rule of Law here - why is that you fail utterly to see that this is the exact same process by which your Kaffir mates are consistently 'convicted' and sent to prison?

Which rock have you been hiding under?

Now - can you address the questions instead of just lashing out?  I know that's hard for you, but you could at least try.
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Reply #87 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:14am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:59am:
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 7:51am:
She recalls how? Are you kidding?

Stepping entirely over your utter ignorance of the the female body, the fact she awoke naked may have been a clue.




You said she was "unconscious"... got that so far..... so how does she accurately recall anything in her state?  There are countless reasons she may have awoken naked.

Exactly which part of the female body was examined in a timely fashion so as to ascertain her status?

How DID she come to awaken naked???
  Tell us ...........


Now try again.... YOU tell us how she came to be naked; how she could recall anything accurately; what examinations were undertaken; and why she took so long to even raise the issue.

I take it you were there, so you know all this..... so tell us in your absolute certainty.
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Reply #88 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:27am
 
God. You're so not worth talking to.
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Reply #89 - Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:33am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 8th, 2021 at 8:27am:
God. You're so not worth talking to.


You're not talking to me - you are diverting and trying to get out of answering the questions.... that's called using your own echo chamber..... bouncing your own petty prejudices off the walls......

I thought you knew all the Higgins story from personal experience and observation - you were so positive in your already drawn conclusions... you HAD to be the fly on the wall to be that positive......

Thank Christ the jury system was designed to leave people like you way behind and out of it... now, of course, some seek to alter the parameters in which they are required to function...... a dangerous move for any accused.
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