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Reply #30 - Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:55pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:19pm:

Do you have a point Karnal?

I have a question. What do you think about the bin Ladens being whisked out of America during a no-fly order, two days after 9/11?

You didn't say.

I haven't given it any thought.

Have you?

Do you think it is relevant to what we were discussing, or are you trying to change the subject?

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Reply #31 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 1:13am

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 8:19pm:

Do you have a point Karnal?

I have a question. What do you think about the bin Ladens being whisked out of America during a no-fly order, two days after 9/11?

You didn't say.

I haven't given it any thought.

Have you?

Do you think it is relevant to what we were discussing, or are you trying to change the subject?

I have. It's relevant because you just blamed the Taliban for 9/11. Haven't given any thought to the bin Ladens, eh?

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Reply #32 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 6:08am

Yes, the Taliban allowed refuge to Al Quaeda people.. Pakistan allowed refuge for up to Osama himself, as shown by his being taken out by the US there.

Allegiances are very murky.... the Taliban leadership (as opposed to Taliban simple) may have felt common cause with AQ, or simply sided with 'fellow' Muslims. Some simple Taliban may have wanted to join AQ and engage in specific Jihad.

While there is a hodge-podge of interwoven allegiances along many lines - THEIR (Radical Muslims/Islamists) lines are drawn clearly to them - nowhere near it to rest of the world, specifically the West, which still floats along on a sea of fluffy thoughts about humanity and essentially feels insulated from such things building as we speak.

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Reply #33 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:11am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 6:08am:

Yes, the Taliban allowed refuge to Al Quaeda people.. Pakistan allowed refuge for up to Osama himself, as shown by his being taken out by the US there.

Allegiances are very murky.... the Taliban leadership (as opposed to Taliban simple) may have felt common cause with AQ, or simply sided with 'fellow' Muslims. Some simple Taliban may have wanted to join AQ and engage in specific Jihad.

While there is a hodge-podge of interwoven allegiances along many lines - THEIR (Radical Muslims/Islamists) lines are drawn clearly to them - nowhere near it to rest of the world, specifically the West, which still floats along on a sea of fluffy thoughts about humanity and essentially feels insulated from such things building as we speak.

That's a nonsensical rant.

Try again when sober.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11179 armidale Gender:	Re: How will Australia evade labeling Afghanistan ... Reply #34 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:29am A bit complicated for you, LTC?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83931 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: How will Australia evade labeling Afghanistan ... Reply #35 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:40am chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:29am: A bit complicated for you, LTC? Don't respond - you only encourage his idiocy. He knows nothing.
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Re: How will Australia evade labeling Afghanistan ...
Reply #36 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:54am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:40am:

chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

A bit complicated for you, LTC?

Don't respond - you only encourage his idiocy. He knows nothing.

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Reply #37 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 10:10am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 6:08am:

Yes, the Taliban allowed refuge to Al Quaeda people.. Pakistan allowed refuge for up to Osama himself, as shown by his being taken out by the US there.

Allegiances are very murky.... the Taliban leadership (as opposed to Taliban simple) may have felt common cause with AQ, or simply sided with 'fellow' Muslims. Some simple Taliban may have wanted to join AQ and engage in specific Jihad.

While there is a hodge-podge of interwoven allegiances along many lines - THEIR (Radical Muslims/Islamists) lines are drawn clearly to them - nowhere near it to rest of the world, specifically the West, which still floats along on a sea of fluffy thoughts about humanity and essentially feels insulated from such things building as we speak.

The Bush administration assisted the bin Laden family to flee an investigation into 9/11.

Saudi Arabia is a key US ally. You may recall a recent multi-billion dollar weapons deal. It's designed to ensure Saudi control over the Middle East. Saudi Arabia is one, if not the most, extreme Islamicist state in the world. Their most influential alliance is with the US.

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Reply #38 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:16am

Invading Iraq without justification created ISIS who were ex Saddam Hussain Generals and soldiers displaced by the Coalition of the Killing....Tens of thousands of innocent people have died because of this illegal war for oil....We have nothing to be proud of by following the Yanks into their illegal wars!!!

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Reply #40 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:30am

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:16am:

Invading Iraq without justification created ISIS who were ex Saddam Hussain Generals and soldiers displaced by the Coalition of the Killing....Tens of thousands of innocent people have died because of this illegal war for oil....We have nothing to be proud of by following the Yanks into their illegal wars!!!

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As vile as the invasion of Iraq was, it did not create ISIS. You think they were all Brian Ross style peace loving Muzlums before that? Get real. ISIS follows instructions in the Koran. Like the Taliban they just melt into the population when the going gets tough. They are in force in Afghanistan and regional Iraq.

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Reply #41 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:34am

issuevoter wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:30am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:16am:

Invading Iraq without justification created ISIS who were ex Saddam Hussain Generals and soldiers displaced by the Coalition of the Killing....Tens of thousands of innocent people have died because of this illegal war for oil....We have nothing to be proud of by following the Yanks into their illegal wars!!!

Angry

As vile as the invasion of Iraq was, it did not create ISIS. You think they were all Brian Ross style peace loving Muzlums before that? Get real. ISIS follows instructions in the Koran. Like the Taliban they just melt into the population when the going gets tough. They are in force in Afghanistan and regional Iraq.

ISIS was a creation of George W Bush. Sunnis did not need ISIS before George Bush because they were in charge.

George Bush fired all Sunnis from military and government positions and chased them out of commerce and industry. They had no alternative but to fight. George W Bush excluded Sunnis from Iraqi society.

There is so much ignorance among conservatives.

If ignorance was a valuable commodity the heads of conservatives would be full of drill holes seeking to exploit that commodity.

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Re: How will Australia evade labeling Afghanistan ...
Reply #42 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:47am

issuevoter wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:30am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:16am:

Invading Iraq without justification created ISIS who were ex Saddam Hussain Generals and soldiers displaced by the Coalition of the Killing....Tens of thousands of innocent people have died because of this illegal war for oil....We have nothing to be proud of by following the Yanks into their illegal wars!!!

Angry

As vile as the invasion of Iraq was, it did not create ISIS. You think they were all Brian Ross style peace loving Muzlums before that? Get real. ISIS follows instructions in the Koran. Like the Taliban they just melt into the population when the going gets tough. They are in force in Afghanistan and regional Iraq.

Saddam Husain's Generals were far from peace loving Muslims and religion helped recruit those to their cause....ISIS emerged from the ashes of the Coalition invasion which saw the Islamic State terrorise the population....There were no weapons of mass destruction and innocent people suffered and died for a lie!!!

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Saddam-era officers have been a powerful factor in the rise of Islamic State, in particular in the Sunni militant group’s victories in Iraq last year. Islamic State then out-muscled the Sunni-dominated Baath Party and absorbed thousands of its followers. The new recruits joined Saddam-era officers who already held key posts in Islamic State.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-iraq-islamics...

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