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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:06pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
Phew, the last bunch:

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January 7, 2010      Buchanan, New York, USA      NRC inspectors reported that an estimated 600,000 gallons of mildly radioactive steam was intentionally vented after an automatic shutdown of Indian Point Energy Center Unit 2. The levels of tritium in the steam were below those allowable by NRC safety standards.[71]      0      0      
February 1, 2010      Vernon, Vermont, USA      Deteriorating underground pipes from the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant leak radioactive tritium into groundwater supplies      0      700      
August 2011      Louisa county, Virginia, USA      A 5.8-earthquake in the region caused the loss of offsite power at the North Anna Nuclear Generating Station. Later in the incident, the plant lost an emergency diesel generator, leading to the activation of the so-called SBO diesel generator - an emergency situation.      0      ?      2
January 2014      St. Lucie, Florida, USA      Flooding of the auxiliary building of the St. Lucie Nuclear Power Plant, caused by lacking proper flood barriers[72]      0      ?      
July 2016      Michigan, USA      Massive steam leak in the turbine building of Donald C. Cook Nuclear Plant, unit 2      0      ?      
December 2019      Nebraska, USA      One of the two safety related component cooling systems of Cooper Nuclear Station was unable to operate, because its service water system, that takes water from the river, was plugged with silt.[73] 


Imagine - if you could think.
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Reply #16 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:06pm:
Imagine - if you could think.


I wish Frank could.

In Frank's case imagination and thinking are impossibilities with a cranium chock-full of extremist dogma.
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Reply #17 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:45pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:32pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:08pm:
What is your source for this litany of doom and gloom? And do you actually understand any of it?  Roll Eyes


It appears that to get anything into Belgarion's head I would have to use jumper cables and clamps.

Evidently, Belgarion has not heard of Google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country



You really don't understand do you? What you have shown is a list of industrial accidents and simple breakdowns of types that are common in any industry, not specific to or caused by nuclear power generation.  Here is a far more realistic look at the deaths associated with nuclear power plants. Note how few actually involve radiation. The deaths associated with other power generation methods are far in excess of those listed here.   Roll Eyes

https://environmentalprogress.org/nuclear-deaths
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Reply #18 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:50pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
Hears a question for denialists. How much crap can we pump into the sky before it has an effect on climate?


I had a hot shower tonight. The room was fogging with high humidity upon getting out. It had been raining last night and today. But, usually, the town is cool to cold and dry for much of the winter. I figure that 80,000 people using hot water for their showers probably increase the likelihood of rainfall in town by about 0.1%.

So, I look in the context of carbon monoxide being spewed into the atmosphere by millions of cars every day all year around. When the lockdown took place around the world, wildlife made their way back to cities. Pollution in India meant that they could see the mountains hundreds of kilometres away.

Some articles have stated:
*Reduction of air pollution and GHGs emission
As industries, transportation and companies have closed down, it has brought a sudden drop of greenhouse gases (GHGs) emissions.
*Reduction of water pollution
Water pollution is a common phenomenon of a developing country like India, and Bangladesh, where domestic and industrial wastes are dumped into rivers without treatment. During the lockdown period, the major industrial sources of pollution have shrunk or completely stopped, which helped to reduce the pollution load.
*Reduction of noise pollution
Noise pollution is the elevated levels of sound, generated from different human activities (e.g., machines, vehicles, construction work), which may lead to adverse effects in human and other living organisms.
*Ecological restoration and assimilation of tourist spots
Over the past few years, tourism sector has witnessed a remarkable growth because of technological advancements and transport networks; which contribute significantly to global gross domestic product.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7498239/

All these shutdowns have seen a much similar level of pollution not seen in over 100 years. But, 100 years ago, there were polluting factories and industrial waste at some level relevant to worldwide industrial nations.

The real issue is that all these pollutants have been flowing through the air in considerable amounts for the last 300 years. And yet, with all this pollutants, we are not seeing a considerable amount of climate change that could be noticeable by people who have lived and observed the weather and climate variations for the last 32 years.

I would suggest that whilst it is commendable that we use green technology, we should focus more on conservation of species for flora and fauna.

To answer your question: Any amount of pollutants can change the environment. But only slightly.
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Reply #19 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 10:52pm
 
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•Vital environmental changes have been evidenced during COVID-19 lockdown.

•500% decrease in sewage and industrial effluents in rivers.

•Dissolved oxygen(DO), Biological oxygen demand(BOD), pH of river water has been improved by 79%, 30% and 7.9 respectively

•Noise level was reduced up to 35% to 68% all over the world.

•Wild life gets a chance to reclaim their land.


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Reply #20 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 11:28pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
Hears a question for denialists. How much crap can we pump into the sky before it has an effect on climate?


Here is a question for alarmists. If pumping crap into the sky is such an issue why are you so anti-nuclear?


I am neither alarmist nor anti-nuclear, but I believe their concern is mainly nuclear waste, which is reasonable, although advances in technology may address that problem.

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Reply #21 - Aug 11th, 2021 at 10:24am
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 11:28pm:
Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 1:35pm:
Hears a question for denialists. How much crap can we pump into the sky before it has an effect on climate?


Here is a question for alarmists. If pumping crap into the sky is such an issue why are you so anti-nuclear?


I am neither alarmist nor anti-nuclear, but I believe their concern is mainly nuclear waste, which is reasonable, although advances in technology may address that problem.


The nuclear "waste" issue has already been addressed. This is just one reference: https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-wastes/...   
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Reply #22 - Aug 11th, 2021 at 11:57am
 
Another IPCC reports, another fit of hysteria and hyperbole.

Predictably enough, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report has been greeted with hyperbole about fire, flood and tempest. It is ‘code red for humanity,’ according to UN general-secretary Antonio Guterres. ‘This report must sound a death knell for coal and fossil fuels before they destroy our planet.’

As ever with IPCC reports, the content doesn’t live up to the hysterical reviews. If the vision presented in it were the basis of a disaster movie you would want your money back.


The political activist and media slant is over the top, as usual.
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Reply #23 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 10:31am
 
Climate change is actually saving lives


In contrast to the hyperventilating media, the report is actually serious and sensible (and very, very long). It doesn’t surprise, since it is a summary of already published studies, but it reconfirms that global warming indeed is real and a problem.

But it also highlights how much one-sided thinking takes place in the climate conversation. Since the heat dome in the US and Canada in June, there has been a lot of writing about more heat deaths. And the IPCC confirms that climate change indeed has increased heatwaves. However, the report equally firmly, if virtually unacknowledged, tells us that global warming means “the frequency and intensity of cold extremes have decreased”.

This matters, because globally, many more people die from cold than from heat. A new study in the highly respected journal Lancet shows that about half a million people die from heat, but 4.5 million people die from cold. As temperatures have increased over the past two decades, that has caused an extra 116,000 heat deaths each year. This, of course, fits the narrative and is what we have heard over and again. But it turns out that because global warming has also reduced cold waves, we now see 283,000 fewer cold deaths. You don’t hear this, but so far climate change saves 166,000 lives each year.

It also mentions climate upsides like the fact that more CO2 in the atmosphere has acted as a fertiliser and created a profound global greening of the planet. One NASA study found that over a period of 35 years, climate change has added an area of green equivalent to two times the size of Australia. But don’t expect to read about this in any of the breathless articles on climate impact.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/climate-change-is-actually-saving-live...

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