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Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm
 
The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China.

Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia?

The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.
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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 3:01pm
 
use the top of your screen to enter words.

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/heres-why-us-fighters-and-russian-bombers-keep-squaring-off-near-alaska/

https://news.usni.org/2021/05/26/russian-navy-surveillance-ship-quietly-operatin
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-navy-ships-off-alaska-passed-through-u-s-territorial-waters-1441350488
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The world is merely showing China it does not own the South China Sea, in spite of its illegal military construction and harassment of shipping.
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 3:45pm
 
UK is asserting the Irish map , Naoi Líne Dash, of cabhlach éisc na hÉireann, found under the keg stall of clan sliocht Cinnshellagh of Dún Laoghaire.  It defines the red herrings of the Chinese Brotherhood of Irish Jig Fiddlers.
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 6:02pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm:
The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonise China.

Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia?

The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.


US waters? Why should they tolerate such an invasion? The falsehood China keeps pushing is a vast area of international waters is their territory, a delusion. Sadly the Chinese military and the fool who’s their leader will continue to push their invalid claims in a very provocative manner.
It’s entirely possible the idiocy of China invading Formosa will trigger World War III.

Not that I’m suggesting the US is free of blame in international affairs. The strange thing is they’ve inadvertently admitted their guilt by the way they’re torturing & trying to send Julian Assange insane.

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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 7:01pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 2:49pm:
The UK has sent its shiny new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to the South China Sea to antagonize China.

Why are all these provocative military acts being implemented in the air and the sea around the world to antagonize China and Russia?

The USA would not tolerate foolish military adventures in US waters and air space.



We learnt from Neville Chamberlain's mistake and his piece of paper.


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Belgarion wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 3:17pm:
The world is merely showing China it does not own the South China Sea, in spite of its illegal military construction and harassment of shipping.


Do you mean like the USA does not own Guantanamo in Cuba but occupies it against the wishes of the owners?
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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 7:51pm
 
The US lease of Guantanamo gives it a legal claim to possession until both parties cancel the lease.  Like Australia with Manus island, the US claims the prisoners are overseas and not in US territory. China is doing several illegal actions in S China sea.  Threatening Japan with nukes is also not a nice way to talk.
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chimera wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 7:51pm:
The US lease of Guantanamo gives it a legal claim to possession until both parties cancel the lease.  Like Australia with Manus island, the US claims the prisoners are overseas and not in US territory. China is doing several illegal actions in S China sea.  Threatening Japan with nukes is also not a nice way to talk.


Wrong. The US is enforcing unlawful exclusion zones in the sea around Guantanamo.
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Do you have an example?
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Reply #12 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:19pm
 
The UK has an exclusion zone around the Falkland Islands of 370 km radius which is far larger than any exclusion zones imposed by China.

In 1982 the UK extended the exclusion zone to within 12 miles of the coast of Argentina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Exclusion_Zone

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The Total Exclusion Zone as of 30 April 1982.
The Total Exclusion Zone (TEZ) was an area declared by the United Kingdom on 30 April 1982 covering a circle of radius 200 nautical miles (370 km; 230 mi) from the centre of the Falkland Islands.[1] During the Falklands War any sea vessel or aircraft from any country entering the zone may have been fired upon without further warning.

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The Maritime Exclusion Zone (MEZ) declared on 12 April 1982[2] covering a circle of radius 200 nautical miles (370 km; 230 mi) from the centre of the Falkland Islands. Any Argentine warship or naval auxiliary entering the MEZ could have been attacked by British nuclear-powered submarines (SSN).

On 23 April, in a message that was passed via the Swiss Embassy in Buenos Aires to the Argentine government, the British Government clarified that any Argentine ship or aircraft that was considered to pose a threat to British forces anywhere in the South Atlantic would be attacked:

In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response. All Argentine aircraft, including civil aircraft engaged in surveillance of these British forces, will be regarded as hostile and are liable to be dealt with accordingly.[3]

The term civilian aircraft alludes particularly, but not only, to the Boeing 707 of the Argentine Air Force that until then had shadowed the British Task Force on its journey south and had been escorted away on several occasions by Sea Harriers.

The Total Exclusion Zone (TEZ) was an area declared by the United Kingdom on 30 April 1982. It covered the same area as the MEZ. During the Falklands War any sea vessel or aircraft from any country entering the zone may have been fired upon without further warning.

When ARA General Belgrano was sunk on 2 May 1982, it was outside the TEZ. This has led to much debate and controversy over whether the attack was legal. However, exclusion zones are historically declared for the benefit of neutral vessels; during war, under international law, the heading and location of a belligerent naval vessel has no bearing on its status. In addition, the captain of the Belgrano, Héctor Bonzo, has testified that the attack was legitimate[4] (as did the Argentine government in 1994).[5][6][7][8]

Interviews conducted by Martin Middlebrook for his book, The Fight for the "Malvinas", indicated that Argentine Naval officers understood the intent of the message was to indicate that any ships operating near the exclusion zone could be attacked. Argentine Rear-Admiral Allara who was in charge of the task force of which the Belgrano was a part said, "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano".[3]

On 7 May 1982, the TEZ was extended to within 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) of the Argentine coast.[9] 
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Reply #13 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:23pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
The US is enforcing unlawful exclusion zones in the sea around Guantanamo.

Do you have an example?
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Reply #14 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:56pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:23pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 8:03pm:
The US is enforcing unlawful exclusion zones in the sea around Guantanamo.

Do you have an example?


500 mile radius from Havana. I believe there are probably exclusion zones in the air as well.

https://dnnlgwick.blob.core.windows.net/portals/0/NWCDepartments/Stockton%20Cent...

The President invoked Articles 6 and 8 of the 1947
Rio Treaty as the legal justification for his actions.28 The Proclamation permitted the Secretary
of Defense to designate, “within a reasonable distance” from Cuba, “prohibited or restricted
zones” and prescribe routes of transit for cleared vessels. The “quarantine” became effective on
24 October, and was enforced by a naval picket line ordered to intercept inbound military
shipments to Cuba from the Soviet Union; the “quarantine interdiction line” included the area
within a circle with its center at Havana and a radius of 500 nautical miles and […] the area
included within a circle with its center at Cape Maysi (Maisi), located at the eastern tip of the
Island of Cuba, and a radius of 500 nautical miles.”29 (See figure 1 below). Within the
interception area, U.S. forces were authorized to stop, board, inspect, and divert all vessels
suspected or discovered to be shipping prohibited weapons and materiel to Cuba.
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