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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #555 - Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:48pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:59am:
Are you suggesting racism is a popularity contest John?


no, i'm suggesting that you're a dishonest wanker


Now now, JS, that's unfair. Before we establish dishonesty on the part of a fellow poster, we must first ask questions. This helps us to clarify the poster's thoughts, thinking and beliefs.

As an example, we might ask for FD's views on a particular subject. We then carefully read his response, and if we require additional information, we follow up with a supplementary. This means we're curious, keen to hear what FD thinks.

As another example, we might ask FD to clarify his views, typically through the use of a close-ended question, which allows for a more succinct response. E.g, do prawns feel pain? This question allows only one of two responses; yes or no. We may choose to establish this at the outset, informing our fellow poster that a simple yes or no will suffice.

We do so in the spirit of curiosity, careful to hear our fellow member's views, ready to capture any poignant information. Another method is the confessional, where we encourage the poster to say what he or she really thinks. Some members worry about their reputations and are wary of revealing their views. We direct such posters to be clear and concise. We remind them of the consequences of being seen as fearful in the light of our penetrative truth. We direct them to confess and, if relevant, to show contrition for any potential flaws in character. Are you a racist? We might ask. We might follow up with a courteous, please explain? Or an invitation to brevity, as outlined above; a simple yes or no will suffice.

It might help if you asked FD himself if he is a dishonest wanker. This gives him the opportunity to clarify his views or, if he disagrees, explain why.

If so, you can follow up with another question. As an example; are you a racist?

Our poster may, of course, concede at this point. If so, you have done your job in revealing the truth. But each negative response is fraught with the inference of hostile denial, which gives their response little or no credibility. In most cases, posters understand this problem and avoid answering altogether. In this case, you have them for avoidance, which is nearly as bad as denial.

Most posters will attempt to distract or divert at this point. The best way to keep them on track is through subsequent questioning. We can even put their diversion to them directly, as an example; why are you evading the question?

Most posters will respond with direct questions of their own. The best way to respond to this is to stick to one's role as the questioner. Such questions should never be answered. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. 

Pointing out that you asked first rarely works to quell a rebellious querant. One should resolve such a stalemate with further questions. That's a question, one might say, would you care for an answer? If not, why not? What is the poster trying to hide? Are they scared? Why are they scared? We're all friends here, yes? Why evade such a question? Are they being dishonest? Are they having a wank?

Are they a racist?

As you can see, JS, our posts can draw much truth from our fellow members through the simple use of questions. Try adding a question mark to the end of your posts. You may well be surprised with the results.

Why not ask FD a question?


brilliant post..... very high class for Ozpolitics....Smiley

(I was reading about 'dialectics' only yesterday, in the wiki article about Marx).


Grin You're easily amused.

And FATTYWISK is right ..... never answer a question.

Just pose another question.

As slippery as you can get ... dishonest in fact.


Excuse I, Gonads, I believed you confessed to being a racist, am I correct?

You're really quite brave, no?


Did I? ... are you sure about that?

I believe you're incorrect


But you're not sure, right?

No worries. Why don't you just say here?

Right here, right now. We'll clear this up once and for all. Are you a naughty old racist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #556 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:28am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:59am:
Are you suggesting racism is a popularity contest John?


no, i'm suggesting that you're a dishonest wanker


Now now, JS, that's unfair. Before we establish dishonesty on the part of a fellow poster, we must first ask questions. This helps us to clarify the poster's thoughts, thinking and beliefs.

As an example, we might ask for FD's views on a particular subject. We then carefully read his response, and if we require additional information, we follow up with a supplementary. This means we're curious, keen to hear what FD thinks.

As another example, we might ask FD to clarify his views, typically through the use of a close-ended question, which allows for a more succinct response. E.g, do prawns feel pain? This question allows only one of two responses; yes or no. We may choose to establish this at the outset, informing our fellow poster that a simple yes or no will suffice.

We do so in the spirit of curiosity, careful to hear our fellow member's views, ready to capture any poignant information. Another method is the confessional, where we encourage the poster to say what he or she really thinks. Some members worry about their reputations and are wary of revealing their views. We direct such posters to be clear and concise. We remind them of the consequences of being seen as fearful in the light of our penetrative truth. We direct them to confess and, if relevant, to show contrition for any potential flaws in character. Are you a racist? We might ask. We might follow up with a courteous, please explain? Or an invitation to brevity, as outlined above; a simple yes or no will suffice.

It might help if you asked FD himself if he is a dishonest wanker. This gives him the opportunity to clarify his views or, if he disagrees, explain why.

If so, you can follow up with another question. As an example; are you a racist?

Our poster may, of course, concede at this point. If so, you have done your job in revealing the truth. But each negative response is fraught with the inference of hostile denial, which gives their response little or no credibility. In most cases, posters understand this problem and avoid answering altogether. In this case, you have them for avoidance, which is nearly as bad as denial.

Most posters will attempt to distract or divert at this point. The best way to keep them on track is through subsequent questioning. We can even put their diversion to them directly, as an example; why are you evading the question?

Most posters will respond with direct questions of their own. The best way to respond to this is to stick to one's role as the questioner. Such questions should never be answered. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. 

Pointing out that you asked first rarely works to quell a rebellious querant. One should resolve such a stalemate with further questions. That's a question, one might say, would you care for an answer? If not, why not? What is the poster trying to hide? Are they scared? Why are they scared? We're all friends here, yes? Why evade such a question? Are they being dishonest? Are they having a wank?

Are they a racist?

As you can see, JS, our posts can draw much truth from our fellow members through the simple use of questions. Try adding a question mark to the end of your posts. You may well be surprised with the results.

Why not ask FD a question?


brilliant post..... very high class for Ozpolitics....Smiley

(I was reading about 'dialectics' only yesterday, in the wiki article about Marx).


Grin You're easily amused.

And FATTYWISK is right ..... never answer a question.

Just pose another question.

As slippery as you can get ... dishonest in fact.


Excuse I, Gonads, I believed you confessed to being a racist, am I correct?

You're really quite brave, no?


Did I? ... are you sure about that?

I believe you're incorrect


But you're not sure, right?

No worries. Why don't you just say here?

Right here, right now. We'll clear this up once and for all. Are you a naughty old racist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.



I thought I had?

Are you?

Don't hold back on the questions now

enquiring minds have to know ..... yes? Grin
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #557 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:03am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:59am:
Are you suggesting racism is a popularity contest John?


no, i'm suggesting that you're a dishonest wanker


Now now, JS, that's unfair. Before we establish dishonesty on the part of a fellow poster, we must first ask questions. This helps us to clarify the poster's thoughts, thinking and beliefs.

As an example, we might ask for FD's views on a particular subject. We then carefully read his response, and if we require additional information, we follow up with a supplementary. This means we're curious, keen to hear what FD thinks.

As another example, we might ask FD to clarify his views, typically through the use of a close-ended question, which allows for a more succinct response. E.g, do prawns feel pain? This question allows only one of two responses; yes or no. We may choose to establish this at the outset, informing our fellow poster that a simple yes or no will suffice.

We do so in the spirit of curiosity, careful to hear our fellow member's views, ready to capture any poignant information. Another method is the confessional, where we encourage the poster to say what he or she really thinks. Some members worry about their reputations and are wary of revealing their views. We direct such posters to be clear and concise. We remind them of the consequences of being seen as fearful in the light of our penetrative truth. We direct them to confess and, if relevant, to show contrition for any potential flaws in character. Are you a racist? We might ask. We might follow up with a courteous, please explain? Or an invitation to brevity, as outlined above; a simple yes or no will suffice.

It might help if you asked FD himself if he is a dishonest wanker. This gives him the opportunity to clarify his views or, if he disagrees, explain why.

If so, you can follow up with another question. As an example; are you a racist?

Our poster may, of course, concede at this point. If so, you have done your job in revealing the truth. But each negative response is fraught with the inference of hostile denial, which gives their response little or no credibility. In most cases, posters understand this problem and avoid answering altogether. In this case, you have them for avoidance, which is nearly as bad as denial.

Most posters will attempt to distract or divert at this point. The best way to keep them on track is through subsequent questioning. We can even put their diversion to them directly, as an example; why are you evading the question?

Most posters will respond with direct questions of their own. The best way to respond to this is to stick to one's role as the questioner. Such questions should never be answered. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. 

Pointing out that you asked first rarely works to quell a rebellious querant. One should resolve such a stalemate with further questions. That's a question, one might say, would you care for an answer? If not, why not? What is the poster trying to hide? Are they scared? Why are they scared? We're all friends here, yes? Why evade such a question? Are they being dishonest? Are they having a wank?

Are they a racist?

As you can see, JS, our posts can draw much truth from our fellow members through the simple use of questions. Try adding a question mark to the end of your posts. You may well be surprised with the results.

Why not ask FD a question?


brilliant post..... very high class for Ozpolitics....Smiley

(I was reading about 'dialectics' only yesterday, in the wiki article about Marx).


Grin You're easily amused.

And FATTYWISK is right ..... never answer a question.

Just pose another question.

As slippery as you can get ... dishonest in fact.


Excuse I, Gonads, I believed you confessed to being a racist, am I correct?

You're really quite brave, no?


Did I? ... are you sure about that?

I believe you're incorrect


But you're not sure, right?

No worries. Why don't you just say here?

Right here, right now. We'll clear this up once and for all. Are you a naughty old racist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.



I thought I had?

Are you?

Don't hold back on the questions now

enquiring minds have to know ..... yes? Grin


I see Karnal's epic post went straight over the top of your head too.

No wonder he usually just takes the piss.

Pearls before swine. It gets exhausting.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #558 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:46am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:03am:
I see Karnal's epic post went straight over the top of your head too.

No wonder he usually just takes the piss.

Pearls before swine. It gets exhausting.


More like pure boredom and ennui - the latter from having seen far too many of Karnal's 'epic nonsenses' to even bother any more.... nobody bothers to read in the hope of finding one piece of gold in amongst a mountain of trash.

Now if Karnal would just keep it simple and stop playing with him/her self - that shouldn't be too hard...

Yes - we are all weary of throwing pearls before swine.....
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #559 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:56am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:03am:
I see Karnal's epic post went straight over the top of your head too.

No wonder he usually just takes the piss.

Pearls before swine. It gets exhausting.


More like pure boredom and ennui - the latter from having seen far too many of Karnal's 'epic nonsenses' to even bother any more.... nobody bothers to read in the hope of finding one piece of gold in amongst a mountain of trash.

Now if Karnal would just keep it simple and stop playing with him/her self - that shouldn't be too hard...

Yes - we are all weary of throwing pearls before swine.....



Oh. The irony.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #560 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 9:07am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:56am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:03am:
I see Karnal's epic post went straight over the top of your head too.

No wonder he usually just takes the piss.

Pearls before swine. It gets exhausting.


More like pure boredom and ennui - the latter from having seen far too many of Karnal's 'epic nonsenses' to even bother any more.... nobody bothers to read in the hope of finding one piece of gold in amongst a mountain of trash.

Now if Karnal would just keep it simple and stop playing with him/her self - that shouldn't be too hard...

Yes - we are all weary of throwing pearls before swine.....



Oh. The irony.


You are so right about being so off target...
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #561 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:24am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
We do.. we do - everyone hates Old White Men who built the joint....


Everyone? I have tremendous respect for the scientists and engineers who "built the joint" 


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look at Heckacles and Jeckacles and the others here who do a Chariots of Fire on the weekends... run like the wind.  They preach respect to elders as long as they are Black.... but definitely not if they're White, then it's full-on hate.


Yes, I agree rhapsodizing about the glory of culture - any culture - is misplaced and confused...

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Hardly compares to a footballer being called a 'Black Dog' as he left the field at half-time - we OWM laugh and DGAF - but I thought we were past that kind of thing apart from the way people talk about Old White Men Who Built The Whole Joint!


Look at the backlash against the Conservative chairman of the BBC who objects to a footballer-commentator calling out the viciousness of conservatism re refugees...

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Stupid kid.... you can't call our football players anything Dogs.... and especially not Black Dogs....


yeh...I hope that comment makes you feel more relevant to the issues facing the nation.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #562 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:37am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
We do.. we do - everyone hates Old White Men who built the joint....


Everyone? I have tremendous respect for the scientists and engineers who "built the joint" 


Quote:
look at Heckacles and Jeckacles and the others here who do a Chariots of Fire on the weekends... run like the wind.  They preach respect to elders as long as they are Black.... but definitely not if they're White, then it's full-on hate.


Yes, I agree rhapsodizing about the glory of culture - any culture - is misplaced and confused...

Quote:
Hardly compares to a footballer being called a 'Black Dog' as he left the field at half-time - we OWM laugh and DGAF - but I thought we were past that kind of thing apart from the way people talk about Old White Men Who Built The Whole Joint!


Look at the backlash against the Conservative chairman of the BBC who objects to a footballer-commentator calling out the viciousness of conservatism re refugees...

Quote:
Stupid kid.... you can't call our football players anything Dogs.... and especially not Black Dogs....


yeh...I hope that comment makes you feel more relevant to the issues facing the nation.


Ah - you're an elitist, desperately hoping that by adhering to the very highest orders, you will somehow, by association and osmosis, become one of them!!

So all those people who did the actual work are nothing?  Just cattle in the fields, dominoes to be shoved about as the big-wigs choose?

NONE of those 'scientists and engineeers' would have gone anywhere from day one without the brickies etc who even built the buildings where they learned their often half-baked ideas on science and engineering...

Clearly you are a woman - you imagine that those little girlies are actually 'doing it for themselves' ..... what a hoot!

Clearly you have no idea at all..... it's a chick thing.... you see - my daughter and her mother work in movies... they know full well that without all those shorts and t-runs leccoes and carpenters in dusty boots and such... none of the flim-flam would ever exist....

Watch that door on your way out ......  Cool  Cool  Cool

God - this place is a hoot on a quiet Sunday.... now I'm busy...
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #563 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:49am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
We do.. we do - everyone hates Old White Men who built the joint....


Everyone? I have tremendous respect for the scientists and engineers who "built the joint" 


Quote:
look at Heckacles and Jeckacles and the others here who do a Chariots of Fire on the weekends... run like the wind.  They preach respect to elders as long as they are Black.... but definitely not if they're White, then it's full-on hate.


Yes, I agree rhapsodizing about the glory of culture - any culture - is misplaced and confused...

Quote:
Hardly compares to a footballer being called a 'Black Dog' as he left the field at half-time - we OWM laugh and DGAF - but I thought we were past that kind of thing apart from the way people talk about Old White Men Who Built The Whole Joint!


Look at the backlash against the Conservative chairman of the BBC who objects to a footballer-commentator calling out the viciousness of conservatism re refugees...

Quote:
Stupid kid.... you can't call our football players anything Dogs.... and especially not Black Dogs....


yeh...I hope that comment makes you feel more relevant to the issues facing the nation.


Ah - you're an elitist, desperately hoping that by adhering to the very highest orders, you will somehow, by association and osmosis, become one of them!!

So all those people who did the actual work are nothing?  Just cattle in the fields, dominoes to be shoved about as the big-wigs choose?

NONE of those 'scientists and engineeers' would have gone anywhere from day one without the brickies etc who even built the buildings where they learned their often half-baked ideas on science and engineering...

Clearly you are a woman - you imagine that those little girlies are actually 'doing it for themselves' ..... what a hoot!

Clearly you have no idea at all..... it's a chick thing.... you see - my daughter and her mother work in movies... they know full well that without all those shorts and t-runs leccoes and carpenters in dusty boots and such... none of the flim-flam would ever exist....

Watch that door on your way out ......  Cool  Cool  Cool

God - this place is a hoot on a quiet Sunday.... now I'm busy...



Why not?

You credit men over women. You claim men did all the work and carried women.

Your own brand of elitism.

Oh, and through much of history, it has been the subjects of colonialism who were the ones out breaking their backs ... for no pay at all, mostly.

I suppose it'sw too much to expect with your absolute ignorance on ATSI history that you be aware of how much of this country was built on unpaid ATSI labour.
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Reply #564 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:55am
 
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Reply #565 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:09am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
We do.. we do - everyone hates Old White Men who built the joint....


Everyone? I have tremendous respect for the scientists and engineers who "built the joint" 


Quote:
look at Heckacles and Jeckacles and the others here who do a Chariots of Fire on the weekends... run like the wind.  They preach respect to elders as long as they are Black.... but definitely not if they're White, then it's full-on hate.


Yes, I agree rhapsodizing about the glory of culture - any culture - is misplaced and confused...

Quote:
Hardly compares to a footballer being called a 'Black Dog' as he left the field at half-time - we OWM laugh and DGAF - but I thought we were past that kind of thing apart from the way people talk about Old White Men Who Built The Whole Joint!


Look at the backlash against the Conservative chairman of the BBC who objects to a footballer-commentator calling out the viciousness of conservatism re refugees...

Quote:
Stupid kid.... you can't call our football players anything Dogs.... and especially not Black Dogs....


yeh...I hope that comment makes you feel more relevant to the issues facing the nation.


Ah - you're an elitist, desperately hoping that by adhering to the very highest orders, you will somehow, by association and osmosis, become one of them!!


An elitist, because I love (inter alia)  scientific discovery and advances in engineering? Please explain.... "Association and osmosis" is no explanation for your fake charge against me.   

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So all those people who did the actual work are nothing?


See how your analysis is always crippled by your world view: nowhere did I express contempt for the workers who laboured to materialize the discoveries of the scientists and engineers.

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Just cattle in the fields, dominoes to be shoved about as the big-wigs choose?


The real problem is the High Priesthood  of central bankers who have deluded you into believing money is resources, it is not (since money is always created out of nothing; the issue is WHO has the privilege of creating it).    

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NONE of those 'scientists and engineeers' would have gone anywhere from day one without the brickies etc who even built the buildings where they learned their often half-baked ideas on science and engineering...


So now, science and engineering are sometimes contaminated by "half-baked ideas".....well, true enough especially when economists claim economics is a science....

But the physicists and chemists and mathematicians have a way of weeding out the half-baked ideas...

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Clearly you are a woman - you imagine that those little girlies are actually 'doing it for themselves' ..... what a hoot!


Clearly you are confused; like I said, women are FORCED to work less PAID hours over a life-time of work.

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Clearly you have no idea at all..... it's a chick thing.... you see - my daughter and her mother work in movies... they know full well that without all those shorts and t-runs leccoes and carpenters in dusty boots and such... none of the flim-flam would ever exist....


A "chick thing"?   A good segue into the shocking abuse Sharon Stone copped for that scene in Basic Instinct: a puerile judge accused her (in a child custody case)  of not being a fit mother because she displayed (unknown to her it turns out) her genitals for 1/10 of a second. The film director even lied to her.

The judge proved himself to be as psychotic as the worst Islamists who insist women must be dressed in tents at all times.....because the naked human (female) body is 'immoral'...

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Watch that door on your way out ......  Cool  Cool  Cool

God - this place is a hoot on a quiet Sunday.... now I'm busy...


I wonder if debates on sites like Ozpolitics can slowly lift the fog of faulty RW analyses like those emanating from your instinct-ravaged, self-interested brain.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #566 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:20am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:59am:
Are you suggesting racism is a popularity contest John?


no, i'm suggesting that you're a dishonest wanker


Now now, JS, that's unfair. Before we establish dishonesty on the part of a fellow poster, we must first ask questions. This helps us to clarify the poster's thoughts, thinking and beliefs.

As an example, we might ask for FD's views on a particular subject. We then carefully read his response, and if we require additional information, we follow up with a supplementary. This means we're curious, keen to hear what FD thinks.

As another example, we might ask FD to clarify his views, typically through the use of a close-ended question, which allows for a more succinct response. E.g, do prawns feel pain? This question allows only one of two responses; yes or no. We may choose to establish this at the outset, informing our fellow poster that a simple yes or no will suffice.

We do so in the spirit of curiosity, careful to hear our fellow member's views, ready to capture any poignant information. Another method is the confessional, where we encourage the poster to say what he or she really thinks. Some members worry about their reputations and are wary of revealing their views. We direct such posters to be clear and concise. We remind them of the consequences of being seen as fearful in the light of our penetrative truth. We direct them to confess and, if relevant, to show contrition for any potential flaws in character. Are you a racist? We might ask. We might follow up with a courteous, please explain? Or an invitation to brevity, as outlined above; a simple yes or no will suffice.

It might help if you asked FD himself if he is a dishonest wanker. This gives him the opportunity to clarify his views or, if he disagrees, explain why.

If so, you can follow up with another question. As an example; are you a racist?

Our poster may, of course, concede at this point. If so, you have done your job in revealing the truth. But each negative response is fraught with the inference of hostile denial, which gives their response little or no credibility. In most cases, posters understand this problem and avoid answering altogether. In this case, you have them for avoidance, which is nearly as bad as denial.

Most posters will attempt to distract or divert at this point. The best way to keep them on track is through subsequent questioning. We can even put their diversion to them directly, as an example; why are you evading the question?

Most posters will respond with direct questions of their own. The best way to respond to this is to stick to one's role as the questioner. Such questions should never be answered. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. 

Pointing out that you asked first rarely works to quell a rebellious querant. One should resolve such a stalemate with further questions. That's a question, one might say, would you care for an answer? If not, why not? What is the poster trying to hide? Are they scared? Why are they scared? We're all friends here, yes? Why evade such a question? Are they being dishonest? Are they having a wank?

Are they a racist?

As you can see, JS, our posts can draw much truth from our fellow members through the simple use of questions. Try adding a question mark to the end of your posts. You may well be surprised with the results.

Why not ask FD a question?


brilliant post..... very high class for Ozpolitics....Smiley

(I was reading about 'dialectics' only yesterday, in the wiki article about Marx).


Grin You're easily amused.

And FATTYWISK is right ..... never answer a question.

Just pose another question.

As slippery as you can get ... dishonest in fact.


Excuse I, Gonads, I believed you confessed to being a racist, am I correct?

You're really quite brave, no?


Did I? ... are you sure about that?

I believe you're incorrect


But you're not sure, right?

No worries. Why don't you just say here?

Right here, right now. We'll clear this up once and for all. Are you a naughty old racist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.



I thought I had?

Are you?

Don't hold back on the questions now

enquiring minds have to know ..... yes? Grin


Don't want to say, eh? Now why would that be?

Come come, Gonads, we're all friends here. We've been through all this, it must have slipped your mind. Are you a naughty old racist?

We'll get to the bottom of this immediately, okay?
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OMG - sounds like a new type of cat food ....  Mattywisk.... Get YOUR Cat on the Fat now!

And dividie imagines that the entire world is made up of scientific 'progress' and all the parts that go into creating a society and culture in which those can flourish are nothing... society, culture, and progress - REAL progress in anything - are a matter of TEAM work.

Truly a child lost in a very big landscape... your understanding of the world is that of a child... that's why - long ago - I asked if you were autistic.... surely you cannot be an adult.....
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Reply #568 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 12:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 12:10pm:
OMG - sounds like a new type of cat food ....  Mattywisk.... Get YOUR Cat on the Fat now!

And dividie imagines that the entire world is made up of scientific 'progress' and all the parts that go into creating a society and culture in which those can flourish are nothing... society, culture, and progress - REAL progress in anything - are a matter of TEAM work.

Truly a child lost in a very big landscape... your understanding of the world is that of a child... that's why - long ago - I asked if you were autistic.... surely you cannot be an adult.....



Can you please read this again and tell us if you think it makes sense.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 12:10pm:
OMG - sounds like a new type of cat food ....  Mattywisk.... Get YOUR Cat on the Fat now!

And dividie imagines that the entire world is made up of scientific 'progress' and all the parts that go into creating a society and culture in which those can flourish are nothing... society, culture, and progress - REAL progress in anything - are a matter of TEAM work.

Truly a child lost in a very big landscape... your understanding of the world is that of a child... that's why - long ago - I asked if you were autistic.... surely you cannot be an adult.....


You confessed too, Grappler, so don't be naughty.
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