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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #600 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:20pm:
Are you racist John?


That's for others to decide
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Reply #601 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:58pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:56pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:20pm:
Are you racist John?


That's for others to decide


Are you confused John? Are you not sure now?

How can others decide if you get your panties in a bunch when asked whether you support government policy that discriminates on the basis of race? Should we assume from your dodging that you do?
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Reply #602 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:59pm
 
John Smith is a Racist.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #603 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:56pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:20pm:
Are you racist John?


That's for others to decide


Are you confused John? Are you not sure now?




What part of my answer was confusing to you? Seems pretty clear to me.
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Reply #604 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
So they are being "systematically" disadvantaged only in the sense that you are not getting your way?


No, in the sense they are not getting employment.

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So aborigines in remote communities would get paid to do whatever they feel like doing in the local community?


Wrong again; paid to do work which  the entire community deems useful.

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What if they don't feel like working?


They don't get paid, the same as you and me.

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Could they get paid to go fishing?


No, but they could get paid to tend to a productive food garden.  (though fishing might  be productive in some localities - a special case of 'work', if designated as such by the entire community).
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Reply #605 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:16pm
 
I started a new thread on your job guarantee scheme:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1678608620

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What part of my answer was confusing to you? Seems pretty clear to me.


Most people are brave enough to have their own opinion on whether they are racist. It is curious that you are not. Why is that John?

How can others decide if you are racist if you get your panties in a bunch when asked whether you support government policy that discriminates on the basis of race? Should we assume from your dodging that you do?
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Reply #606 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:28pm
 
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Most people are brave enough to have their own opinion on whether they are racist. It is curious that you are not. Why is that John?




Most people aren't deluded enough to think that their opinion of themselves necessarily has any bearing on reality. I'll leave it for others to judge whether I am racist or not. Just like I'll judge you.
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Reply #607 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:30pm
 
In making this decision, is it reasonable for everyone to assume that you support government policy that discriminates on the basis of race? Or is this yet another opinion that you do not allow yourself to have?
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #608 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:33pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 8:03am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:59am:
Are you suggesting racism is a popularity contest John?


no, i'm suggesting that you're a dishonest wanker


Now now, JS, that's unfair. Before we establish dishonesty on the part of a fellow poster, we must first ask questions. This helps us to clarify the poster's thoughts, thinking and beliefs.

As an example, we might ask for FD's views on a particular subject. We then carefully read his response, and if we require additional information, we follow up with a supplementary. This means we're curious, keen to hear what FD thinks.

As another example, we might ask FD to clarify his views, typically through the use of a close-ended question, which allows for a more succinct response. E.g, do prawns feel pain? This question allows only one of two responses; yes or no. We may choose to establish this at the outset, informing our fellow poster that a simple yes or no will suffice.

We do so in the spirit of curiosity, careful to hear our fellow member's views, ready to capture any poignant information. Another method is the confessional, where we encourage the poster to say what he or she really thinks. Some members worry about their reputations and are wary of revealing their views. We direct such posters to be clear and concise. We remind them of the consequences of being seen as fearful in the light of our penetrative truth. We direct them to confess and, if relevant, to show contrition for any potential flaws in character. Are you a racist? We might ask. We might follow up with a courteous, please explain? Or an invitation to brevity, as outlined above; a simple yes or no will suffice.

It might help if you asked FD himself if he is a dishonest wanker. This gives him the opportunity to clarify his views or, if he disagrees, explain why.

If so, you can follow up with another question. As an example; are you a racist?

Our poster may, of course, concede at this point. If so, you have done your job in revealing the truth. But each negative response is fraught with the inference of hostile denial, which gives their response little or no credibility. In most cases, posters understand this problem and avoid answering altogether. In this case, you have them for avoidance, which is nearly as bad as denial.

Most posters will attempt to distract or divert at this point. The best way to keep them on track is through subsequent questioning. We can even put their diversion to them directly, as an example; why are you evading the question?

Most posters will respond with direct questions of their own. The best way to respond to this is to stick to one's role as the questioner. Such questions should never be answered. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. 

Pointing out that you asked first rarely works to quell a rebellious querant. One should resolve such a stalemate with further questions. That's a question, one might say, would you care for an answer? If not, why not? What is the poster trying to hide? Are they scared? Why are they scared? We're all friends here, yes? Why evade such a question? Are they being dishonest? Are they having a wank?

Are they a racist?

As you can see, JS, our posts can draw much truth from our fellow members through the simple use of questions. Try adding a question mark to the end of your posts. You may well be surprised with the results.

Why not ask FD a question?


brilliant post..... very high class for Ozpolitics....Smiley

(I was reading about 'dialectics' only yesterday, in the wiki article about Marx).


Grin You're easily amused.

And FATTYWISK is right ..... never answer a question.

Just pose another question.

As slippery as you can get ... dishonest in fact.


Excuse I, Gonads, I believed you confessed to being a racist, am I correct?

You're really quite brave, no?


Did I? ... are you sure about that?

I believe you're incorrect


But you're not sure, right?

No worries. Why don't you just say here?

Right here, right now. We'll clear this up once and for all. Are you a naughty old racist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.



I thought I had?

Are you?

Don't hold back on the questions now

enquiring minds have to know ..... yes? Grin


I see Karnal's epic post went straight over the top of your head too.

No wonder he usually just takes the piss.

Pearls before swine. It gets exhausting.



F
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off Miss Karfoops .... you'd know all about  putting lipstick on a pig ... just from personal experience.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #609 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:35pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:49am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:37am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 10:24am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:21pm:
We do.. we do - everyone hates Old White Men who built the joint....


Everyone? I have tremendous respect for the scientists and engineers who "built the joint" 


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look at Heckacles and Jeckacles and the others here who do a Chariots of Fire on the weekends... run like the wind.  They preach respect to elders as long as they are Black.... but definitely not if they're White, then it's full-on hate.


Yes, I agree rhapsodizing about the glory of culture - any culture - is misplaced and confused...

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Hardly compares to a footballer being called a 'Black Dog' as he left the field at half-time - we OWM laugh and DGAF - but I thought we were past that kind of thing apart from the way people talk about Old White Men Who Built The Whole Joint!


Look at the backlash against the Conservative chairman of the BBC who objects to a footballer-commentator calling out the viciousness of conservatism re refugees...

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Stupid kid.... you can't call our football players anything Dogs.... and especially not Black Dogs....


yeh...I hope that comment makes you feel more relevant to the issues facing the nation.


Ah - you're an elitist, desperately hoping that by adhering to the very highest orders, you will somehow, by association and osmosis, become one of them!!

So all those people who did the actual work are nothing?  Just cattle in the fields, dominoes to be shoved about as the big-wigs choose?

NONE of those 'scientists and engineeers' would have gone anywhere from day one without the brickies etc who even built the buildings where they learned their often half-baked ideas on science and engineering...

Clearly you are a woman - you imagine that those little girlies are actually 'doing it for themselves' ..... what a hoot!

Clearly you have no idea at all..... it's a chick thing.... you see - my daughter and her mother work in movies... they know full well that without all those shorts and t-runs leccoes and carpenters in dusty boots and such... none of the flim-flam would ever exist....

Watch that door on your way out ......  Cool  Cool  Cool

God - this place is a hoot on a quiet Sunday.... now I'm busy...



Why not?

You credit men over women. You claim men did all the work and carried women.

Your own brand of elitism.

Oh, and through much of history, it has been the subjects of colonialism who were the ones out breaking their backs ... for no pay at all, mostly.

I suppose it'sw too much to expect with your absolute ignorance on ATSI history that you be aware of how much of this country was built on unpaid ATSI labour.



Mothra Pascoe .... what a load of bullshyte.
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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #610 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:37pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:20am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:28am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 11:23am:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:59am:
Are you suggesting racism is a popularity contest John?


no, i'm suggesting that you're a dishonest wanker


Now now, JS, that's unfair. Before we establish dishonesty on the part of a fellow poster, we must first ask questions. This helps us to clarify the poster's thoughts, thinking and beliefs.

As an example, we might ask for FD's views on a particular subject. We then carefully read his response, and if we require additional information, we follow up with a supplementary. This means we're curious, keen to hear what FD thinks.

As another example, we might ask FD to clarify his views, typically through the use of a close-ended question, which allows for a more succinct response. E.g, do prawns feel pain? This question allows only one of two responses; yes or no. We may choose to establish this at the outset, informing our fellow poster that a simple yes or no will suffice.

We do so in the spirit of curiosity, careful to hear our fellow member's views, ready to capture any poignant information. Another method is the confessional, where we encourage the poster to say what he or she really thinks. Some members worry about their reputations and are wary of revealing their views. We direct such posters to be clear and concise. We remind them of the consequences of being seen as fearful in the light of our penetrative truth. We direct them to confess and, if relevant, to show contrition for any potential flaws in character. Are you a racist? We might ask. We might follow up with a courteous, please explain? Or an invitation to brevity, as outlined above; a simple yes or no will suffice.

It might help if you asked FD himself if he is a dishonest wanker. This gives him the opportunity to clarify his views or, if he disagrees, explain why.

If so, you can follow up with another question. As an example; are you a racist?

Our poster may, of course, concede at this point. If so, you have done your job in revealing the truth. But each negative response is fraught with the inference of hostile denial, which gives their response little or no credibility. In most cases, posters understand this problem and avoid answering altogether. In this case, you have them for avoidance, which is nearly as bad as denial.

Most posters will attempt to distract or divert at this point. The best way to keep them on track is through subsequent questioning. We can even put their diversion to them directly, as an example; why are you evading the question?

Most posters will respond with direct questions of their own. The best way to respond to this is to stick to one's role as the questioner. Such questions should never be answered. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. 

Pointing out that you asked first rarely works to quell a rebellious querant. One should resolve such a stalemate with further questions. That's a question, one might say, would you care for an answer? If not, why not? What is the poster trying to hide? Are they scared? Why are they scared? We're all friends here, yes? Why evade such a question? Are they being dishonest? Are they having a wank?

Are they a racist?

As you can see, JS, our posts can draw much truth from our fellow members through the simple use of questions. Try adding a question mark to the end of your posts. You may well be surprised with the results.

Why not ask FD a question?


brilliant post..... very high class for Ozpolitics....Smiley

(I was reading about 'dialectics' only yesterday, in the wiki article about Marx).


Grin You're easily amused.

And FATTYWISK is right ..... never answer a question.

Just pose another question.

As slippery as you can get ... dishonest in fact.


Excuse I, Gonads, I believed you confessed to being a racist, am I correct?

You're really quite brave, no?


Did I? ... are you sure about that?

I believe you're incorrect


But you're not sure, right?

No worries. Why don't you just say here?

Right here, right now. We'll clear this up once and for all. Are you a naughty old racist?

A simple yes or no will suffice.



I thought I had?

Are you?

Don't hold back on the questions now

enquiring minds have to know ..... yes? Grin


Don't want to say, eh? Now why would that be?

Come come, Gonads, we're all friends here. We've been through all this, it must have slipped your mind. Are you a naughty old racist?

We'll get to the bottom of this immediately, okay?



Are you?

Are you too clever for your own good?

Or merely a sarcastic wanker?

Don't hold back now..... as you said we're all friends here ....no?  Grin
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Reply #611 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm
 
[quote author=John_Smith link=1628906997/587#587 date=1678601820][quote author=freediver link=1628906997/584#584 date=1678601459]John don't you think it is a little hypocritical of you to accuse others of dishonesty, when you are compelled to respond in this thread and complain about being labelled racist, but are afraid to say whether you think it is racist to discriminate on the basis of race?[/quote]


Who complained about being called a racist? I just asked that you leave me out of your wet dreams. Why would anyone complain about you calling them racist when it is obvious from your pages of crap that [highlight]you have no idea what the word even means. [/highlight][/quote]


Neither do you or you wouldn't be promoting amendments to the constitution based on race.

A second voice for one group that already has a voice in our representative democracy.
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Reply #612 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:54pm:
So they are being "systematically" disadvantaged only in the sense that you are not getting your way?

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There is always useful work, not necessarily supported by the private sector,  needing to be done in any community.


So aborigines in remote communities would get paid to do whatever they feel like doing in the local community?

What if they don't feel like working? Could they get paid to go fishing?



They already do.
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Reply #613 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 6:30pm:
In making this decision, is it reasonable for everyone to assume that you support government policy that discriminates on the basis of race? Or is this yet another opinion that you do not allow yourself to have?



Depends on what govt policy you are referring to. So far, despite crying for months about racist government policy, you've failed to show any. You realise that it takes more than a few tears from entitled old men to make it fact, right?
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Reply #614 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:05pm
 
[quote author=Gnads link=1628906997/611#611 date=1678610667][quote author=John_Smith link=1628906997/587#587 date=1678601820][quote author=freediver link=1628906997/584#584 date=1678601459]John don't you think it is a little hypocritical of you to accuse others of dishonesty, when you are compelled to respond in this thread and complain about being labelled racist, but are afraid to say whether you think it is racist to discriminate on the basis of race?[/quote]


Who complained about being called a racist? I just asked that you leave me out of your wet dreams. Why would anyone complain about you calling them racist when it is obvious from your pages of crap that [highlight]you have no idea what the word even means. [/highlight][/quote]


Neither do you or you wouldn't be promoting amendments to the constitution based on race.

A second voice for one group that already has a voice in our representative democracy.[/quote]


I may be wrong,  but i don't recall supporting anything eitherway,  I've just called out stupid comments made by stupid people
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