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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #660 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 9:04pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 6:13am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 6:30pm:

In making this decision, is it reasonable for everyone to assume that you support government policy that discriminates on the basis of race? Or is this yet another opinion that you do not allow yourself to have?

Depends on what govt policy you are referring to. So far, despite crying for months about racist government policy, you've failed to show any. You realise that it takes more than a few tears from entitled old men to make it fact, right?

Why does it depend on the policy John? What government policies that discriminate on the basis of race do you support?

Still waiting for you to show racist policy FD ... surely it's not that difficult given the amount of tears you've shed.

Is this just another way of you saying that you are completely lacking in principles and cannot answer until you know what policy you are talking about?

Do you care if others conclude that you are racist?

No, this is my way of showing how some morons are capable of crying for months, but are unable to explain what they are crying about.

It's a question John. Do you care if others conclude that you are racist? You seem to be pretending that you don't, but I suspect you do and this is just another way of running away.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

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If we want a voice which deals specifically with issues relating to blacks only

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What issues would they be?

The issues responsible for the (black) gap, obviously.

Let's try again. See if you can give a straight answer. What issues would they be?

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How about the possibility of benevolent, meritocratic authority, achieved by consensus instead?

Achieved how? So far the only definition of consensus you have offered is a council employee making the decisions for us. Sounds like CCP propaganda to me. Are the Chinese people stupid enough to fall for this?

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #661 - Mar 15^th, 2023 at 9:32pm

freediver wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

Let's try again. See if you can give a straight answer. What issues would they be?

High unemployment rates, low school attendance rates due and poverty and family dysfunction at home.

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Achieved how?

Well....in China the matter was settled by a civil war; interestingly, the population now register 90% support for the CCP government (according to a recent Harvard poll).

But in Oz, I suspect the only way Oz would consider it, is if China proves its consensus meritocracy is the better system, because there are sufficient blindly self-interested fools like you to always elect a government of self-interest serving of the 50% plus 1 who consider themselves tolerably well off...

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....So far the only definition of consensus you have offered is a council employee making the decisions for us.

Low grade comprehension skills; a JG participant isn't "making decisions for us", he is participating in a JG program.

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Sounds like CCP propaganda to me. Are the Chinese people stupid enough to fall for this?

The CCP in the last decade has indeed been sending govt. agents to the most remote villages in China to identify wealth creating opportunities (eg, animal husbandry, food production), with identified efficiency-enhancing infrastructure upgrades, to increase exports to other regions (via better roads etc).

Not a JG scheme; China can still create sufficient work for its large population without resort to a JG scheme, because of its huge consumer market which can absorb extra production, as the nation's GDP increases.

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #662 - Mar 16^th, 2023 at 12:23am

freediver wrote on Mar 15^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 5:27pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 6:13am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2023 at 6:30pm:

In making this decision, is it reasonable for everyone to assume that you support government policy that discriminates on the basis of race? Or is this yet another opinion that you do not allow yourself to have?

Depends on what govt policy you are referring to. So far, despite crying for months about racist government policy, you've failed to show any. You realise that it takes more than a few tears from entitled old men to make it fact, right?

Why does it depend on the policy John? What government policies that discriminate on the basis of race do you support?

Still waiting for you to show racist policy FD ... surely it's not that difficult given the amount of tears you've shed.

Is this just another way of you saying that you are completely lacking in principles and cannot answer until you know what policy you are talking about?

Do you care if others conclude that you are racist?

No, this is my way of showing how some morons are capable of crying for months, but are unable to explain what they are crying about.

It's a question John. Do you care if others conclude that you are racist? You seem to be pretending that you don't, but I suspect you do and this is just another way of running away.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 11:23am:

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If we want a voice which deals specifically with issues relating to blacks only

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What issues would they be?

The issues responsible for the (black) gap, obviously.

Let's try again. See if you can give a straight answer. What issues would they be?

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How about the possibility of benevolent, meritocratic authority, achieved by consensus instead?

Achieved how? So far the only definition of consensus you have offered is a council employee making the decisions for us. Sounds like CCP propaganda to me. Are the Chinese people stupid enough to fall for this?

Forgive me, FD, but the questions put to you remain unanswered.

Would you care to review the posts with question marks and get back with a reply?

Cheers.

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #664 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:35am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Plenty of racism around - most of it against whites.... but that'll soon change if they keep it up.

'Racism' used to be discrimination based on race.

It's now discrimination based on economic class/rank...with blacks more frequently inhabiting a lower economic status, which is of course manifested by the gap.

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Reply #665 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:41am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Plenty of racism around - most of it against whites.... but that'll soon change if they keep it up.

'Racism' used to be discrimination based on race.

It's now discrimination based on economic class/rank...with blacks more frequently inhabiting a lower economic status, which is of course manifested by the gap.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

— Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. 2007.

How many more "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking" blacks have got since that first one, both here and in America? Many, many more. Progress, common prosperity even.

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Reply #666 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:52am

Frank wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Plenty of racism around - most of it against whites.... but that'll soon change if they keep it up.

'Racism' used to be discrimination based on race.

It's now discrimination based on economic class/rank...with blacks more frequently inhabiting a lower economic status, which is of course manifested by the gap.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

— Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. 2007.

How many more "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking" blacks have got since that first one, both here and in America? Many, many more. Progress, common prosperity even.

And closing the gap?

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Reply #667 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:53am

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

— Joe Biden, captured on C-SPAN's "Road to the White House" series, trying to bond with an Indian-American supporter. Probably Apu from the local Kwik-E Mart.

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #668 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:55am

"I'm told Chuck Graham, state senator, is here. Stand up Chuck, let 'em see you. Oh, God love you. What am I talking about. I'll tell you what, you're making everybody else stand up, though, pal."

—Biden, telling Missouri state senator Chuck Graham to stand up at a campaign rally, before realizing that Graham is confined to a wheelchair.

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #669 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 10:12am

Frank wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:53am:

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

— Joe Biden, captured on C-SPAN's "Road to the White House" series, trying to bond with an Indian-American supporter. Probably Apu from the local Kwik-E Mart.

OK, so Biden is being racist - but in a nice way....

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Reply #670 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 10:20am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:52am:

Frank wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Plenty of racism around - most of it against whites.... but that'll soon change if they keep it up.

'Racism' used to be discrimination based on race.

It's now discrimination based on economic class/rank...with blacks more frequently inhabiting a lower economic status, which is of course manifested by the gap.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

— Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. 2007.

How many more "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking" blacks have got since that first one, both here and in America? Many, many more. Progress, common prosperity even.

And closing the gap?

The vast majority of the population is disadvantaged compared to Stan Grant, Marcia Langton, Ray Martin (yes, aboriginal great-great-grandmother), Bruce Pascoe (proud Cornwal Durham Durham man!), Noel Pearson.

How to close that gap?

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #671 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 10:46am

Frank wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 10:20am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:52am:

Frank wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:41am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Plenty of racism around - most of it against whites.... but that'll soon change if they keep it up.

'Racism' used to be discrimination based on race.

It's now discrimination based on economic class/rank...with blacks more frequently inhabiting a lower economic status, which is of course manifested by the gap.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

— Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. 2007.

How many more "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking" blacks have got since that first one, both here and in America? Many, many more. Progress, common prosperity even.

And closing the gap?

The vast majority of the population is disadvantaged compared to Stan Grant, Marcia Langton, Ray Martin (yes, aboriginal great-great-grandmother), Bruce Pascoe (proud Cornwal Durham Durham man!), Noel Pearson.

How to close that gap?

Dear Frank, we have covered that many times, please engage your brain....( and stop being a RW 'deplorable'...)

The gap we must close FIRST is not between the most successful mostly white/intermediate black "blacks", but between the average non-black and 'real black' gap.

Please recall my point about economic status being the actual racism which exists today, as opposed to discrimination based on race in less enlightened times.

Gawd, getting you and Graps to see reality is like herding cats....

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Reply #673 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 2:20pm

Can't close a gap from one side only..... nothing to land on at the other end..... especially when those at the other end keep shifting the goal posts further away all the time...

Make a great cartoon - a huge golden bridge with trucks filled with money lined up on the road to it, the bridge stretching across a chasm... and nowhere to go at the other end....

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Re: Racism Warning
Reply #674 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 2:24pm

Boris wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 2:04pm:

They rape, murder and eat babies

A 'racist' imposes disadvantage on a group (or an individual of a group), on the basis of the race of that group.

So black slavery (the institution) was clearly racist.

Is Boris 'racist'?

Boris is not imposing disadvantage, he is merely ascribing certain behaviours to the group, and hence to all the individuals in the group - clearly wrong in fact.

Is he 'racist'?

Or just wrong in fact.....

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