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Reply #690 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 11:34am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 11:19am:
So socialise failure, privatise success.


Back to front as usual.

1. We all have to work, for our own sanity, and to earn an income; as well as for the nation's development.

2. Unlike governments (the public sector) forced to bail out the private sector when the private sector f**ks up -  aka 'socialize the losses, privatize the gains'....

individuals  engaged in useful/beneficial  work is not 'socializing failure'; Goldman Sachs (and Credit Suisse) doing "God's work" and asking for a bailout, IS socializing failure.

 
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Reply #691 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 2:28pm
 
Put 'em all in the gulag Reservation then and consolidate all the services and achieve lower costs via greater product availability and quanitity.... let 'em live their own way there... kill one another to their heart's content etc....

Greatest Win-Win I've ever created - this Aborassic Park with facilities added.... for those who still hate the White Man's way - they can always go to Aborassic Park Original without facilities.... duke it out at one with nature, eh?

Remember that Tom Clancy book?  That 'environmentalist' group who wanted to kill everyone else off and start a new Paradise with themselves only?  remember the ending?

"Go then - and be one with nature!"

They were sent off into the Amazon with no clothes, no gear, no nothing.... just One With Nature..... so go for it...  ANY TIME .......

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Reply #692 - Mar 19th, 2023 at 5:15pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 7:46pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 10:46am:
Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 10:20am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 9:52am:
Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 9:41am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 18th, 2023 at 9:35am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 17th, 2023 at 9:57pm:
Plenty of racism around - most of it against whites.... but that'll soon change if they keep it up.


'Racism' used to be discrimination based on race.

It's now discrimination based on economic class/rank...with blacks more frequently inhabiting a lower economic status, which is of course manifested by the gap.





"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

— Joe Biden, describing fellow candidate Barack Obama. 2007.



How many more  "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking" blacks have got since that first one, both here and in America?  Many, many more. Progress, common prosperity even. 


And closing the gap?


The vast majority of the population is disadvantaged compared to Stan Grant, Marcia Langton, Ray Martin (yes, aboriginal great-great-grandmother), Bruce Pascoe (proud Cornwal Durham Durham man!), Noel Pearson.

How to close that gap?


Dear Frank, we have covered that many times, please engage your brain....( and stop being a RW 'deplorable'...)

The gap we must close FIRST is not between the most successful mostly white/intermediate black "blacks", but between the average non-black and 'real black' gap. 

Please recall my point about economic status being the actual racism which exists today, as opposed to discrimination based on race in less enlightened times.


Gawd, getting you and Graps to see reality is like herding cats....


Who's "we"? All non-Aborigines?



The entire nation, as even stated by IPA ideologue  supporter Jacinta Price.

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What is the role of the 80% Aborigines who don't experience a "gap"?
What is the role of the 20 % great do?  Is there anything they might need to do?


Those figures are  false and meaningless, proving you are a RW nut-job; one stat alone - ie, a decade lower life expectancy on average, for blacks, proves you wrong.   

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You are now saying that we need to close the gap between the lumpen proletariat and the rest of society and it's just a mystery why 20% of Aborigines are at the bottom of the lumpen proletariat.  Nuffin to do wiv race, muffin to do wiv kultcha, nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


Such things are too complex for the deplorable RW brain; poverty rates for blacks on average are higher than any other racial group, even higher than for the "lumpen proletariat"  which is not a racial group, but a disadvantaged group of all races.

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Just copy China, guarantee make belief jobs for the unemployable blacks, pay for it by printing monopoly money and Bingo! common prosperity!


I can assure you China isn't doing that; and the goal of common prosperity is set to be achieved  before 2049 (the centenary of the CCP government), using valuable Chinese fiat money (the yuan), not monopoly money.    

But as for "make believe jobs" - that's just your deplorable RW TINA brain's neurons misfiring.

JG jobs which are considered to be valuable by the community are NOT "make believe" jobs.

(Study real wealth creation in an economy; it's not in producing junk consumer goods which detract from an economy's real wealth by destroying health and  consuming real resources).

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That was easy.  Thanks, Chairman Xi Who Must Be Obeyed.


Oh dear... the delusions of the deplorable misfiring  RW brain, addressed above. 

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Next week we learn to play the Chinese flute and how to perform DIY frontal lobotomy for organ transplants purposes.


The highlighted: priceless....amazing how even a deplorable RW brain can be amusing at times. 


Your reflex "RW" and "delusional freedom ideology" BS is as stupid and mindless as Bbwian's and karnal's reflex "wacism" trope as a way of avoiding thought.

Aboriginal disadvantage is due to cultural incommensurability: Aboriginal culture in a modern society.  Same with black Americal culture. Da gangsta culture is incompatible with middle class American life, regardless of race.
Aborigines who assimilated into modern culture and society are not disadvantaged because their race is irrelevant. Culture is all. Acculturation. Assimilation.
Unless you want parallel societies: third world Aboriginal squalor in a rich, affluent, open and egalitarian society.
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Reply #693 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Your reflex "RW" and "delusional freedom ideology" BS is as stupid and mindless as Bbwian's and karnal's reflex "wacism" trope as a way of avoiding thought.


It not a reflex, its an examination of the reasons underpinning the great economic and political divide.

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Aboriginal disadvantage is due to cultural incommensurability: Aboriginal culture in a modern society.


I happen to agree; the question is: how to deal with that reality -  AND close the gap.

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Same with black Americal culture. Da gangsta culture is incompatible with middle class American life, regardless of race.


Actually I think you are wrong there: while the black African community in the US is experiencing  economic disadvantage like Aboriginals  in Oz, they are not suffering  "cultural incommensurability" like blacks in Oz; eg there are no land rights/sovereignty issues (like those facing American Indians) clouding the debate re disadvantage in the US.   

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Aborigines who assimilated into modern culture and society are not disadvantaged because their race is irrelevant.


You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry.


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Culture is all. Acculturation. Assimilation.
Unless you want parallel societies: third world Aboriginal squalor in a rich, affluent, open and egalitarian society.


Regardless, the nation needs to close the gap.

While arguing over "sovereignty" and "land rights" IS a dead end, eradicating poverty amongst disadvantaged groups - both black and non-black - is not.


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Reply #694 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 2:22pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27am:
Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Your reflex "RW" and "delusional freedom ideology" BS is as stupid and mindless as Bbwian's and karnal's reflex "wacism" trope as a way of avoiding thought.


It not a reflex, its an examination of the reasons underpinning the great economic and political divide.

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Aboriginal disadvantage is due to cultural incommensurability: Aboriginal culture in a modern society.


I happen to agree; the question is: how to deal with that reality -  AND close the gap.

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Same with black Americal culture. Da gangsta culture is incompatible with middle class American life, regardless of race.


Actually I think you are wrong there: while the black African community in the US is experiencing  economic disadvantage like Aboriginals  in Oz, they are not suffering  "cultural incommensurability" like blacks in Oz; eg there are no land rights/sovereignty issues (like those facing American Indians) clouding the debate re disadvantage in the US.   

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Aborigines who assimilated into modern culture and society are not disadvantaged because their race is irrelevant.


You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry.


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Culture is all. Acculturation. Assimilation.
Unless you want parallel societies: third world Aboriginal squalor in a rich, affluent, open and egalitarian society.


Regardless, the nation needs to close the gap.

While arguing over "sovereignty" and "land rights" IS a dead end, eradicating poverty amongst disadvantaged groups - both black and non-black - is not.




Aborigines need to adopt the culture of the modern world. There is no going back to living forever like it's 1787. The Aborigines who have adopted the ways of the modern world are not disadvantaged, only the once who haven't are, and those are the degree they have kept their Aboriginal culture.

A job guarantee, for example, is meaningless to people who do not have the culture to understand what a 'job' is.


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Reply #695 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 6:42pm
 
"You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry. "

What a piss poor cop-out.  How do they identify?    Do they fit the requirements stolen from the American Indians... to be of the blood, to live the life, to be part of the culture...

"One Lung" McClung of Band of Brothers enlisted straight off the reservation - he was at most about a quarter Indian but lived the life on the Res.... nobody considered him anything else .....
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Reply #696 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 8:58am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 8:54am:
Says who?


"Noel Pearson is an Australian lawyer, academic, land rights activist and founder of the Cape York Institute for Policy and Leadership, an organisation promoting the economic and social development of Cape York."


I know who he is & what his quals are....that doesn't make him representative of Aboriginal/Black Culture.

His quals & education make him representative of white culture.

He has white ancestry in his background too. Roll Eyes
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Reply #697 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:14pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27am:
You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry.





Is that because of race? More racially Aboriginal, more disfunction?

Or is it culture? More culturally Aboriginal, more disfunction?


Which one? Both? Neither? 
You ordered vanilla, MMT and job guarantee sundae?

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Reply #698 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27am:
Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Your reflex "RW" and "delusional freedom ideology" BS is as stupid and mindless as Bbwian's and karnal's reflex "wacism" trope as a way of avoiding thought.


It not a reflex, its an examination of the reasons underpinning the great economic and political divide.

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Aboriginal disadvantage is due to cultural incommensurability: Aboriginal culture in a modern society.


I happen to agree; the question is: how to deal with that reality -  AND close the gap.

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Same with black Americal culture. Da gangsta culture is incompatible with middle class American life, regardless of race.


Actually I think you are wrong there: while the black African community in the US is experiencing  economic disadvantage like Aboriginals  in Oz, they are not suffering  "cultural incommensurability" like blacks in Oz; eg there are no land rights/sovereignty issues (like those facing American Indians) clouding the debate re disadvantage in the US.   

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Aborigines who assimilated into modern culture and society are not disadvantaged because their race is irrelevant.


You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry.


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Culture is all. Acculturation. Assimilation.
Unless you want parallel societies: third world Aboriginal squalor in a rich, affluent, open and egalitarian society.


Regardless, the nation needs to close the gap.

While arguing over "sovereignty" and "land rights" IS a dead end, eradicating poverty amongst disadvantaged groups - both black and non-black - is not.




They're not Africans ... not even close.... they are black Americans.

I don't prefix my ancestry of Irish/English/Scottish/German to being Australian

I'm Australian.

If I'm asked my heritage I'll say what it is.

Unlike pale Aboriginals .... who will only say they're Aboriginal.

The only one I've heard proudly announce that she is both of Aboriginal & Celtic origins has been Jacinta Price.

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Reply #699 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 8:41pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 2:22pm:
A job guarantee, for example, is meaningless to people who do not have the culture to understand what a 'job' is.


That's a problem yes.

But a bigger problem is the system which forces involuntary unemployment even onto members of the non-black community who do understand what having a job is.
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Reply #700 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 8:57pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27am:
Frank wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 5:15pm:
Your reflex "RW" and "delusional freedom ideology" BS is as stupid and mindless as Bbwian's and karnal's reflex "wacism" trope as a way of avoiding thought.


It not a reflex, its an examination of the reasons underpinning the great economic and political divide.

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Aboriginal disadvantage is due to cultural incommensurability: Aboriginal culture in a modern society.


I happen to agree; the question is: how to deal with that reality -  AND close the gap.

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Same with black Americal culture. Da gangsta culture is incompatible with middle class American life, regardless of race.


Actually I think you are wrong there: while the black African community in the US is experiencing  economic disadvantage like Aboriginals  in Oz, they are not suffering  "cultural incommensurability" like blacks in Oz; eg there are no land rights/sovereignty issues (like those facing American Indians) clouding the debate re disadvantage in the US.   

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Aborigines who assimilated into modern culture and society are not disadvantaged because their race is irrelevant.


You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry.


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Culture is all. Acculturation. Assimilation.
Unless you want parallel societies: third world Aboriginal squalor in a rich, affluent, open and egalitarian society.


Regardless, the nation needs to close the gap.

While arguing over "sovereignty" and "land rights" IS a dead end, eradicating poverty amongst disadvantaged groups - both black and non-black - is not.




They're not Africans ... not even close.... they are black Americans.


Ok, I'll accept your definition, the point is: they aren't diverted/confused by claims of 'sovereignty' or 'land rights'


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If I'm asked my heritage I'll say what it is.
Unlike pale Aboriginals .... who will only say they're Aboriginal.


Yes, that is a problem - related to demands for 'land rights' and 'sovereignty'.

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The only one I've heard proudly announce that she is both of Aboriginal & Celtic origins has been Jacinta Price.


Are you sure Price isn't attached to the 'sovereignty' bandwagon - I thought she was, as is, eg,  Thorpe (who looks even less black than Price.....)

But you obviously missed the point of my post, which was to point to the additional complicating  issue of black 'sovereignty' in Oz vis a vis the Oz constitution, a complication which is absent in dealing with economic disadvantage among black (not Indian-native) Americans.
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Reply #701 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 8:41pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 2:22pm:
A job guarantee, for example, is meaningless to people who do not have the culture to understand what a 'job' is.


That's a problem yes.




Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Whatchagona do about that problem?
Print mo' money?


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Reply #702 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 7:14pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27am:
You will find most who successfully assimilated have European ancestry.





Is that because of race? More racially Aboriginal, more disfunction?


yes, because the more racially (pure blood) Aboriginal more likely inhabits the more remote communities, subsisting on the dole. 

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Or is it culture? More culturally Aboriginal, more disfunction?


Well the pure bloods are likely to be more disadvantaged AND more remote, subsisting on the dole. 

But paradoxically, black 'culture' (inc. 'sovereignty' and all that jazz)  is probably more an idea in the minds of white 'blacks' - and professors - in the cities...

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Which one? Both? Neither? 
You ordered vanilla, MMT and job guarantee sundae?


Answered above, I hope to your satisfaction...

Still not convinced we all need to work, with the govt. acting as ELR?

I reckon it would be an easy task for white blacks to convince their black full blood brethren of the advantages of a paid job, in modern Australia.

Certainly easier than me convincing you of the necessity for a JG, as part of a fully functional economy....
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Reply #703 - Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:27pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 8:41pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 2:22pm:
A job guarantee, for example, is meaningless to people who do not have the culture to understand what a 'job' is.


That's a problem yes.




Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Whatchagona do about that problem?
Print mo' money?


actually it's the nation's treasury and central bank, by authorization of the government, AND the policy choices of the electorate facing resource constraints - rather than the unelected, "independent" central bankers serving the interests of commercial banks as at present (eg the bank bailouts paid for by the government using YOUR taxes) -  who will "print" more money.


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Reply #704 - Mar 22nd, 2023 at 6:56am
 
Doesn't matter - the point is whatever that money is or wherever it comes from - it is finite and what counts is where it is disposed/disbursed.... it's called priorities...

You can't eat theories .....................
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