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Reply #780 - Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:46am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 8:56am:
Are you becoming a superhero Rocky?


"Not all superheroes wear capes". I wear a bandana.
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Reply #781 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 1:38pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 4:31am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:11pm:
You make me laugh, funny man. You really do.


I make a few here grinch... some people just love to whine and pretend they are being all moralistic... good thing their only power is the vicious word...... very child-like and primitive....


Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak, and that it is doing God's service when it is violating all His laws.

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Look at Albo - look at Dutto ... look at Dorko the national parks management team who close off national parks to the nations, 1984 style.

Ministry of National Parks - dedicated to ensuring that national parks are kept out of selfish and irresponsible national/public hands and that national ownership remains a private issue as we decide!!!!  WE will decide who can and who can't come here!!

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Reply #782 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 1:40pm
 
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Reply #783 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:02pm
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-05/nsw-wollumbin-neo-nazi-rally-mount-warning-police-penny-sharpe/104564288?fbclid=IwY2xjawGXq9tleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTNPMGPf2AZeZlx2mnv-vE0fjE6anwvc8ZYxoKUWiDHCLHNSyJeD_CqajA_aem_5lCPU6Vk77thfjxObCTDpA

NSW Police investigating suspected white supremacist rally held at Wollumbin Mountain

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Police are investigating after a group of white supremacists posted on social media that they had staged a rally at a sacred Indigenous site in northern New South Wales.

Warning: This story may be offensive to some readers.

More than a dozen members of the balaclava-wearing group posted images on social media platform X on October 31, which they suggested were taken on a weekend at Wollumbin Mountain, formerly known as Mount Warning.

The site, which includes a summit track, is regarded as sacred to the Aboriginal community and remains closed to the public.


Every Aboriginal person I have spoken to or heard from about it (maybe a dozen, from apparently competing clans) thinks it is not sacred and is happy for people to climb it.
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Reply #784 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:21pm
 
Yes it's government bullsh
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t to cover over their theft of a natural national icon for all.

They're a pack of Neo-Fascists - these guys in the photo are just playing at the game while Macquarie Street and environs houses the real Nazis.

What astounds me is how very many people simply can't see that.... dictated to by a shadowy unelected minority in an ivory tower ... the Kommissars/Gauleiters... all under the direct command of their political masters, who are equally culpable for this theft of national treasures and national rights - not quite as blatant as Howard/Costello's outright theft of $232Bn from the sale of Telstra into a tax haven to guarantee politician and mate retirement funds forever without even paying tax here, while they crash this country into Third World status for the many ...

Fools here try to cast this as a 'Black v White' issue and run around like headless chooks screaming 'racist' etc - when the real enemy is already inside the castle gates and is actually holding the castle on our behalf... nothing different from the old days of predatory Feudal lords etc...

Wake Up, Australia!!  The barbarians are not only inside the gates - they are feasting in The Great Hall while you run around calling those who know better than you nasty names!
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Reply #785 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 9:46am:
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 8:56am:
Are you becoming a superhero Rocky?


"Not all superheroes wear capes". I wear a bandana.


Is that to hide your circumcision scars? Cheesy
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Reply #786 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 2:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:02pm:
Every Aboriginal person I have spoken to or heard from about it (maybe a dozen, from apparently competing clans) thinks it is not sacred and is happy for people to climb it.


Those I have spoken to are much the same, with some expressing an understanding that they only spoke for themselves and can understand that some may consider it a sacred site.
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Reply #787 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 5:29pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 2:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:02pm:
Every Aboriginal person I have spoken to or heard from about it (maybe a dozen, from apparently competing clans) thinks it is not sacred and is happy for people to climb it.


Those I have spoken to are much the same, with some expressing an understanding that they only spoke for themselves and can understand that some may consider it a sacred site.



Put it to a vote then.... of ALL stakeholders....... any National Park is stake-held by every single citizen..... even the kids who are to enjoy it in the future.... governments must learn that they are only holding such things in TRUST for the people and that they cannot just give them away any time they see fit.

National Parks staff will NOT determine what will be the future of our National Parks... what part of NATIONAL do they fail to encompass?
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Reply #788 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 7:07pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 5:29pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 2:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:02pm:
Every Aboriginal person I have spoken to or heard from about it (maybe a dozen, from apparently competing clans) thinks it is not sacred and is happy for people to climb it.


Those I have spoken to are much the same, with some expressing an understanding that they only spoke for themselves and can understand that some may consider it a sacred site.



Put it to a vote then.... of ALL stakeholders.......


I'm surprised you're not trying to pretend we already voted on it at the referendum like everything else Indigenous related you dumb dumb...
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Reply #789 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 7:55pm
 
We did -ask any Australianist.  If it creates division and Apartheid we voted it down.
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Reply #790 - Nov 6th, 2024 at 10:27pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 7:07pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 5:29pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 2:55pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 6th, 2024 at 12:02pm:
Every Aboriginal person I have spoken to or heard from about it (maybe a dozen, from apparently competing clans) thinks it is not sacred and is happy for people to climb it.


Those I have spoken to are much the same, with some expressing an understanding that they only spoke for themselves and can understand that some may consider it a sacred site.



Put it to a vote then.... of ALL stakeholders.......


I'm surprised you're not trying to pretend we already voted on it at the referendum like everything else Indigenous related you dumb dumb...


Are you in favour of the closures?
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Reply #791 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:03am
 
https://www.2gb.com/fine-withdrawn-bushwalker-has-court-win-after-climbing-mt-warning/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGx73VleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHb-7QYL5d51W5cscgcik4VHILMNGURLUPbZ9y4rSEMGd3ThQoj_fmZn49w_aem_amt8K04xvdXBi_Vj2kS-uA

‘Fine withdrawn’ – Bushwalker has court win after climbing Mt Warning

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Reply #792 - Nov 26th, 2024 at 10:20am
 
https://www.2gb.com/fine-withdrawn-bushwalker-has-court-win-after-climbing-mt-wa...

Bravo - no more punching down on the white fullah, eh?

Where are our 'activists' whining about how kind and noble people like myself are 'punching down on the Black fullah' by raising the issues of their violence and such and their criminal acts, leading to their high incarceration rate, trying to get them into schooling and stuff..... you know... all that Sad Kangaroo 'agenda' of punching down on the poor old Black fullah...

Gotta leave the poor Black fullah to do things his way - even if it gets him in prison all the time and kills his missus - offering better ways is nasty Wharte man's business.... letting 'im rot in it is nasty Wharte man's business - someone else to blame all the time in every way... and land etc grabs?  Special rights?  Primitive religious control?  That's not supremacism or the equivalent of an Ayatollah...

If such 'activists' are bone stupid, there is no help for them ... if they are simply self-blinded.... there may be help...   Cool
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Reply #793 - Nov 28th, 2024 at 9:59pm
 
Parks Victoria boss Matthew Jackson departs as Allan government launches review after climbing ban chaos

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/parks-victoria-boss-matthew-jackson-departs-as-allan-government-launches-review-after-climbing-ban-chaos/news-story/12f97932058ef02b94526f5c8b7d4bdf

The Allan government’s destruction of the state’s globally significant rock climbing industry over cultural heritage bans has cost the Parks Victoria boss his job and forced an independent review into the organisation’s failures and future.

For five years Parks Victoria chief executive Matthew Jackson rubber-stamped a secretive process that destroyed Victoria’s reputation as a world destination for rock climbing and pitted First Nations people against outdoors enthusiasts.

Facing an electoral backlash over access to public land, the government announced on Thursday that Mr Jackson would leave Parks Victoria “by mutual agreement” and that consultants KordaMentha would assist with a wide-ranging review. The review will focus on Parks Victoria’s priorities, the legislation that oversees it, administration, finances and functions, in what promises to lead to a root-and-branch overhaul of the way it has functioned.

Environment Minister Steve Dimopoulos, who has been severely embarrassed by the crisis, said the review would be finished by March 2025, suggesting the government already has answers to many of the questionings hanging over the organisation.

The minister accepted Parks Victoria was failing its objectives.

“It’s clear that Parks Victoria’s current operations need to be improved to meet community expectations,’’ he said.

“I have therefore ordered a comprehensive review of Parks Victoria, to advise how the organisation can better serve the needs of Victorians and help them enjoy the great outdoors.

“The review will focus on Parks Victoria’s priorities, the delivery of its objectives under the Parks Victoria Act 2018, the organisation’s administration, finances, functions and delivery model – to identify ways the organisation can reduce red-tape, improve customer service, and deliver better outcomes for Victorians. ’The review will be completed by March 2025, and will be overseen by the Victorian government with the support of Korda Mentha.

‘’As part of this process, Matthew Jackson, the CEO of Parks Victoria, has departed his position by mutual agreement and I wish him well.”

The review has exposed tricky issues for the government, which is negotiating a treaty with First Nations groups and now an expectation that fairness will be injected into the process of analy-sing cultural heritage impacts.

Graeme Dear has been appointed interim CEO of Parks Victoria.

Australian Climbing Association Victoria treasurer Mike Tomkins said Parks Victoria had overseen a debacle.

“We are finally going to get some transparency over the debacle that has affected the Grampians and Arapiles,’’ he said.

“Parks Victoria has used the parks as their own private state.’’

Climbing Victoria spokesman Mike Rockell said it had been poorly handled.

“It’s a very pleasing development and it didn’t need to come to this,’’ he said. “They’ve failed to consult, they’ve wilfully decided not to consult with us.’’

Local MP Emma Kealy, the Nationals deputy leader, said Parks Victoria had wrongly accused climbers of heritage damage, including placing a bolt through rock art.

“Parks Victoria’s consultation process surrounding future access to the Grampians and Mount Arapiles has been completely botched,’’ she said.

The announcement was made after The Australian asked a series of questions to Parks Victoria about its broken relationship with Climbing Victoria, which was its chosen climbing group.

Climbing Victoria spokesman Mike Rockell said the group had recently rejected an approach from Parks Victoria for talks after the organisation had overseen a process that led to more than half of Mount Arapiles being shut down.

Mr Rockell said Climbing Victoria had met with Parks Victoria in the weeks before the bans were announced but were told by the government authority that an announcement may not come until 2025. Parks Victoria did not reveal to Climbing Victoria the extent of the bans being considered, he said.

Parks Victoria then soon after announced the bans, which have rocked the climbing world and sparked concerns they will destroy the economy of the small town of Natimuk, which services Arapiles, also known as Dyurrite.

Mr Rockell said: “They (Parks Victoria) have contacted us lately and we rejected it.’

“We didn’t think the timing was right, we know what the nature of the meeting would be.’’

Climbing Victoria is the umbrella organisation backed by Parks Victoria to negotiate over moves to gut the rock climbing industry in western Victoria.

Parks Victoria was unhappy with the backlash over bans at the Grampians National Park, largely made during the pandemic, and moved to cut adrift its most strident critics.

Before climbing took hold at Arapiles more than 50 years ago, the area was in a state of environmental disrepair, having been used as a rifle range and for grazing. Old photographs show the extent to which the area was degraded and then revitalised over the decades, under the watch of climbers.

Climbing Victoria has written to members, warning it does not believe the amended management plan at Arapiles is fit for use and says it is “deeply flawed”.
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“The process to create the amended plan was deeply flawed as there was no consultation with key stakeholders and no economic impact assessment was carried out,’’ it said.

“Without input from all key stakeholders, the plan is deficient in solutions that can lead to better outcomes. Key stakeholders not consulted are the climbing community, and the local community.

“Failure to engage with key stakeholders is a failure of one of the core tenets of a democratic society. The amended plan is not fit for use. It contains large sections from the previous plan published in 1991 (33 years ago), which are now rendered irrelevant, obsolete, misleading and confusing.’’

In 2019, the Victorian government began gutting climbing in the area, first with the Grampians National Park which has significant rock art cultural heritage.

But Parks Victoria used false, misleading or unverifiable evidence to claim harm was committed by rock climbers, including the incorrect claim that rock art had been damaged by a bolt inserted by climbers. Parks Victoria was contacted for comment.

Cultural heritage is collated on a database called the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Register and Information System, and is the online portal of the ­Victorian Aboriginal Heritage Register.

While there are restrictions on access, a wide group of people are still able to see where heritage has been pinpointed. Climbers want to be sure that the bans have been placed legitimately but there is virtually no way of knowing because of the ­secrecy provisions.

In 2020, Parks Victoria announced it had rediscovered quarry sites, artefact scatters and rock art at Arapiles.

It claims there are dozens of motifs in charcoal and red ochre, including a decorated oval reminiscent of designs painted on ­Aboriginal shields.

Horsham Rural City Council is seeking a three-month extension to the consultation process over the new management plan at Mount ­Arapiles, which guts climbing and restricts access.
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