Gladys Berejiklian’s government is also endorsing blatant sexism. As with Ayers Rock (uluru), aboriginal men are allowed to climb, but aboriginal women are banned. This is supposedly for the women’s own good. Does Gladys actually endorse this sort of sexism? How many aboriginal women feel liberated by having these outdated, long-abandoned beliefs resurrected by the government and instituted by NPWS policy? All we can know for certain is that the NSW government will not be asking them. Even their opinion does not count.

Gladys Berejiklian has not offered Australians any explanation of whether the government ought to be endorsing a particular group’s religious beliefs and using laws, government institutions and taxpayer funds to impose those religious views on everyone else. The separation of church and state is an old concept in western civilisation. We have learned the hard way that it is absolutely necessary for a functioning society. Gladys Berejiklian seems unwilling or incapable of learning the lessons of history.

Once covid goes away, and the government sweeps its misrepresentation of the engineering assessment under the rug, the only reason they will acknowledge for the closure of Mount Warning is the religious beliefs of aboriginal people. They will pass the buck to those aboriginal groups, who will become the focus of the public’s frustration with this absurdly Machiavellian consultation process. Aborigines from the area will be held responsible for the closure by the broader public and will then have their racist, sexist views open for public scrutiny. They will be expected to justify their actions and their beliefs.

Gladys Berejiklian and her ministers have demonstrated great skill in letting others take responsibility for what is their decision and their responsibility. Will they hang the aborigines of Northern NSW out to dry, or will they invent even more absurd government interventions to address the growing racism problem that they created?

I have come to assume, cynically, that where there are none, politicians are prepared to 'manufacture' a series of community crises.

i.e.
For the politician, even an activity which has no real or useful purpose or public utility,
it still enables their PR staff to release media announcements, which can widely justify their [their boss's] authority and existence, to those who elect them.

Like i said, cynical.




Quote:
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/rahm_emanuel_409199



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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
- Alexander Fraser Tytler

The Church of England is for a race which wins, as God is an Englishman. If your race loses, it's caused by your racism. Aboriginals are not in the race. You climb the mountain by racing for Gladys, of Armenian Aboriginal peak communities who didn't die out, racially.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:31pm:



There he is !

Its Laugh till you cry, again, making HIS 'contribution' to debate, on an open public forum.

/sarc off

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Gladys is antagonistic to Indigenous?
So Gladys Indigenous Prejudiced Berejiklian.
Try saying that with corn flakes.

Yes! The Mount Warning Tourist Resort. Open all hours. Bush Tucker for Chinese Cruise Ship Packages.  Prayer Room and Cemetery containing your favourite relatives in breath taking scenery. Book now.

Karnal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:35pm:


Karnal thinks it is sexist to allow women to dress like this. They should be climbing in a burqa instead.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 2:03pm:


Karnal thinks it's a cunning way to get clicks and sell ads.

You know, like those Google ads I keep getting for hijabs, burqinis and Muslim dating sites whenever I come here.

Another way is to incite racism.

What do you think?

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 2:32pm:


Oh? Now why would I need a Muslim dating site?

Thoughts?

Effendi...is it okay with you if I climb all over your Home and bring a few mates as well.  We will have a booze up and a bbq when up there.  Okay?

Wollumbin – The Warrior Chief

The word, Wollumbin, is also said to mean warrior or fighting chief of the mountain. Legend has it that the spirits of the mountains were warriors. The wounds they received in battles are the scars on the mountainside, and the thunder and lightning are the results of their battles.

If you look today towards Wollumbin from certain angles, you will see the face of the warrior chief in the mountain outline. Wollumbin is a very sacred initiation site for men. In traditional Aboriginal life only the fully initiated men could go to the top of the mountain.

This importance and the legends that remain today, demonstrate the significance of this sacred and imposing mountain on people of the valley.

Wollumbin – The Turkey

Once, a long time ago, turkeys could fly greater distances than they can today. Well, one turkey flew from Mt Brown. He had joined a gathering of other birds talking, when a giant bird approached.  All the birds, the turkey too, were so frightened they flew away quickly. The turkey flew all the way to Wollumbin, stopping on the top of the great mountain to catch his breath, but as he rested, he was wounded in the head by a spear from a warrior. Because of his head wound, the turkey’s flying ability was impaired.

That is the reason why turkeys today can fly only short distances before they must rest; and if you look at Wollumbin you can see the mountain top has a small bend in it where the spear hit the turkey. The mountain tip is the point of the warriors spear.

Aussie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:


It most certainly is not. Mt Warning is a site of cultural importance.

Effende should be okay with you climbing on his fishing club.

Fishing is not a race, no?

[quote author=Frank link=1628906995/21#21 date=1628916926]Wollumbin – The Warrior Chief

The word, Wollumbin, is also said to mean warrior or fighting chief of the mountain. Legend has it that the spirits of the mountains were warriors. The wounds they received in battles are the scars on the mountainside, and the thunder and lightning are the results of their battles.

If you look today towards Wollumbin from certain angles, you will see the face of the warrior chief in the mountain outline. Wollumbin is a very sacred initiation site for men. In traditional Aboriginal life only the fully initiated men could go to the top of the mountain.

This importance and the legends that remain today, demonstrate the significance of this sacred and imposing mountain on people of the valley.

Wollumbin – The Turkey

Once, a long time ago, turkeys could fly greater distances than they can today. Well, one turkey flew from Mt Brown. He had joined a gathering of other birds talking, when a giant bird approached.  All the birds, the turkey too, were so frightened they flew away quickly. The turkey flew all the way to Wollumbin, stopping on the top of the great mountain to catch his breath, but as he rested, he was wounded in the head by a spear from a warrior. Because of his head wound, the turkey’s flying ability was impaired.

That is the reason why turkeys today can fly only short distances before they must rest; and if you look at Wollumbin you can see the mountain top has a small bend in it where the spear hit the turkey. The mountain tip is the point of the warriors spear.
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So, they make up ridiculious stories to explain natural rock foundations.

Almost as will as flying donkeys and watching the sun set in a mud hole.

Well, yes. Not exactly Mount Olympus or Delphi.

Zeus took the form of a swan and raped Leda on the same night she slept with her husband King Tyndareus and she laid two eggs from which the children hatched.

Python was the serpent, sometimes represented as a medieval-style dragon, living at the center of the earth, believed by the ancient Greeks to be at Delphi. Python presided at the Delphic oracle in the cult center for its mother, Gaia represented by a stone, the omphalos or navel. The later Olympian deity Apollo slew it and took over Python's former home.

Gordon wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 4:37pm:


Obviously. Islam's not too fond of hommers, dear. 

But I'm curious. Why do you incite racial hate here, Gordon?

Is it the bloodied, high-pitched frenzy of Matty's barking? Is it the old boy's pained, ever-so-offended moans? Is it Yadda's self-righteous indignation and Bible quotes?

FD does it for the clicks. What's in it for you?

Which national park is locked up?

Gordon wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:


You post threads about the tinted races. I'm asking why you do that.

You don't have to say if you don't want. I'll ask FD a question instead.

Quote:


Can you explain how it is relevant Aussie? Can I take a dump in your taxi?

Quote:


Wollumbin

Valkie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 1:29pm:


Which national park is locked up?

free diver: Wollumbin.

So we have Wollumbin as proof that Wollumbin is locked up. No other examples of lock up?

2
and counting

Is this woman border line racist?

https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/things-to-do/driving-routes/greater-blue-mountains-drive/local-alerts
Last reviewed: Tue 10 Aug 2021, 1.37pm. Closed areas: Accommodation closed until further notice. Due to the NSW Government's public health orders for COVID-19, ...

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Due to COVID-19, people camping on State forests need to self notify ... if the forest you want to visit is affected by any forest closures or fire bans.
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Covid. bushfire. NSW is locked down for Covid because Gladys wants to steal businesses for her private use?
2 national parks locked away.
2

FD should change his forum logo from Ularu with a fence to Mt Warning with a fence

that'll teach em.

BREDON HILL
A E Hausman

In summertime on Bredon
  The bells they sound so clear;
Round both the shires they ring them
  In steeples far and near,
  A happy noise to hear.

Here of a Sunday morning
  My love and I would lie,
And see the coloured counties,
  And hear the larks so high
  About us in the sky.

chimera wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:


Chimera, you appear to be in support of the ban, but also afraid to actually say so. Is that right?

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 5:50pm:

Right.
Wrong. The park will be open except for the peak.

Dear freediver
The undermentioned poster is in support of the Wollumbin peak being closed.
chimera
15/08/2021.

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 6:03pm:


Do try to keep up John. The NSW government is handing control of Mount Warning to aboriginal groups from the gold coast area - ie, not the actual traditional owners.

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 6:06pm:


just admit you haven't climbed it FD ... it's OK

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 6:11pm:


Have I? I missed that bit where you showed Mt warning was near the gold coast ... care to post it again?

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 5:55pm:


Have you climbed Mt Warning, FD?

freediver wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 6:32pm:



you claimed you'd shown I was full of crap ... since my only comment was that Mt Warning is not near the GC and therefore you hadn't climbed it, how did  you show I was full of crap?

Unless of course you're making up in your own mind what we say, again ...instead of responding to what we actually say

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 6:36pm:


Yes John. Over and over again. Here is the most recent example:

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2021 at 6:03pm:


Quote:


So, not you?

Loveliest of trees, the cherry now. Is hung with loo paper along the bough,

Yes freediver, my words are in the topic. Please check the number and try again.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:


Leeetle bit breathless, that. 'Stoking fires'?

Frank wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 6:27pm:


Oh, ja. The NPA keeping a park closed for covid is Gladys race baiting.

But FD screeching wacism is cooling things down.

Culture wars, innit. If you get your hands on some oxygen, pass it FD's way.

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 5:45pm:


You lied when you claimed Mt Warning was on the GC. The only one full of crap is you.

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 8:13pm:


Of course not.
He is too busy looking for ways to insult people and put them down.

Trying to make himself feel better for being a sad sad loser in life.

Actually contributing anything of value in any discussion is impossible for him.

chimera wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 9:17pm:


If you are trying to make a point Chimera, spit it out.

chimera wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


Oh my, so Gladys is an Isamophobe as well?

When will this wacism ever end?

chimera wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:49am:



Ah, it's  about da Jooos, of course.
Thanks, Ali G.

chimera wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:29am:


So?  What ARE you suggesting? What would you do?

chimera wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 11:29am:


So you want to start this whole thing up again?

Do you have a justification for supporting the government's imposition of Aboriginal religious views on the rest of us that goes beyond your usual meaningless gibberish?

Does anyone? There seems to be a lot of posters here who want to support it, but they are all beating around the bush.

freediver wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 8:13pm:


and yet you were the one who said it was on the GC ..... quick as a slug you are

Karnal wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:03am:


She probably is given Armenia's history and her heritage and has every right to be.

Setanta wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 6:07pm:

Muhammad's birthday is not a holiday and please don't push it. Freediver will fall off the edge.

chimera wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 6:12pm:


You are being irrational chimera. Desperately seeking excuses for imposing one group's religious views on everyone else is not the same as explaining why you are in favour of the government imposing one group's religious views on everyone else.

Setanta wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 6:23pm:


Nah.....some mountains, and other places, we do not get to disrespectfully "share" as they are of indigenous relevance.  Unless of course you are terra nullius wanker.  Are you?

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 6:16pm:

Agree. But I'm not desperate nor in favour of imposing. You may possibly have understood my comments about Christian religion in parliament with Jewish and Muslim MPs. And maybe you are unable to comprehend.

If there was no religious element in government then a unique exclusion by government of the public from Wollumbin would not have my agreement.  So, no religion in the armed forces or at Anzac day. No State funerals in church.  People could be invited to recognise Wollumbin's meaning for Aboriginals and stop using it a as toilet, without it being locked.  Do you know what the word "logic" means?
If people can have churches, temples etc and have religion in parliament imposed on non-Christians, then logically Aboriginals can have the same protection.

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 6:35pm:


I don't think he thinks that at all, it's just a red herring thrown in for bait.

Indigenous Australians can be secure in the knowledge they may climb Mt Olympus, home of the Greek gods. The Greeks will even guide you and fill you in on the myth.


https://www.muchbetteradventures.com/magazine/mount-olympus-guide/

Setanta wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 6:14pm:


yes he clarified what his point was later ... but that doesn't change what he said originally. Lying about what he said doesn't help him..

If I walk up to the top of my street I can see it