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Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:21pm
 
Israel was one of the first countries to mass vaccinate with Fizzer now they're considering more lockdowns as cases increase they're back to wearing masks. The Israelis are also going for a 3rd shot of Pfizer it appears the first 2 don't work.

For some reason our politicians think mass vaccination is the solution to the Kung Flu.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

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First to vaccinate and first to party, Israel now mulls lockdowns


One of the most vaccinated nations in the world is a test case for how Delta will play out. So far, it’s not pretty

     This June, as I packed for a trip to London, I realised I couldn’t find a single mask in my house, nor in any of the stores by my house in Tel Aviv.

It had been months since anyone had needed one in Israel, one of the fastest- and most-vaccinated nations in the world. By mid-March, Israelis were partying as lockdowns ended and by April, masks had more or less vanished, turning the tiny country into a tantalising glimpse of a post-pandemic future.

     “Why do you want a mask? Corona is over,” chuckled my neighbourhood grocery store grandma, as she handed me a half-empty bag of masks she found in the back as I rushed to the airport.



     A month later, as I returned from London after my own bout of Covid-19 — one of the earlier breakthrough cases of the fully vaccinated catching the Delta variant — masks were everywhere.

So was coronavirus. From a few dozen daily cases in early June — even zero on June 9 — new Covid infections twice hovered near 6,000 this week, the highest daily rate in six months.


     Having won early access to supplies of the BioNTech/Pfizer jab in exchange for sharing nationwide data on how mass vaccination drives affect the pandemic, Israel is a closely watched indicator for where well-inoculated developed economies are heading.

     After months of euphoria, the data out of Israel is troubling. The Israeli ministry of health has twice revised downwards the long-term efficacy of the jabs — from the advertised 94 per cent protection from asymptomatic infections against the then-dominant Alpha variant, to as low as 64 per cent against the now-dominant Delta variant.

As new infections soared, so did the long tail of hospitalisations.
     Even though the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill, the vaccine’s protection was waning fastest for the oldest — the most vulnerable — who got their first jabs as early as December.

     At this rate, health officials predicted at least 5,000 people would need hospital beds by early September, half of them with serious medical needs, twice as many as Israel is equipped to handle.

https://www.ft.com/content/c21e2053-0373-4b8e-80b7-fad10f235604?shareType=nongif...
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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:36pm
 
What's the rate for AstraZenca Bobby?

We have had 3 deaths in 3 days in NSW with fully vaxxed people it will probably rise as around a 2 week delay from infection to death or recovery.

When you look at survival rates from unvaxxed people you would have to question if these vaccines work.

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Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:57pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
What's the rate for AstraZenca Bobby?

We have had 3 deaths in 3 days in NSW with fully vaxxed people it will probably rise as around a 2 week delay from infection to death or recovery.

When you look at survival rates from unvaxxed people you would have to question if these vaccines work.




I reckon it's toss a coin if you go to hospital.
Tails you live and heads you die.
There is only so much the manufacturers can do with a cold virus.
That's why we never had a vaccine for the common cold -
and Covid-19 is a common cold variant about
10 times more deadly than the flu.
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Reply #4 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 6:02pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:21pm:
..............  Even though the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill, the vaccine’s protection was waning fastest for the oldest — the most vulnerable — who got their first jabs as early as December.

     At this rate, health officials predicted at least 5,000 people would need hospital beds by early September, half of them with serious medical needs, twice as many as Israel is equipped to handle.

https://www.ft.com/content/c21e2053-0373-4b8e-80b7-fad10f235604?shareType=nongif...



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.........   the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill     ............


There is your option.
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Reply #5 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 6:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:57pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:36pm:
What's the rate for AstraZenca Bobby?

We have had 3 deaths in 3 days in NSW with fully vaxxed people it will probably rise as around a 2 week delay from infection to death or recovery.

When you look at survival rates from unvaxxed people you would have to question if these vaccines work.




I reckon it's toss a coin if you go to hospital.
Tails you live and heads you die.
There is only so much the manufacturers can do with a cold virus.
That's why we never had a vaccine for the common cold -
and Covid-19 is a common cold variant about
10 times more deadly than the flu.


I don't think it's a toss of the coin thing if you have to go to hospital for treatment there are some with much higher risk than others.

CDC data shows older people have higher risk along with the Obese and Diabetics.

Obesity is the strongest risk factor.

Obesity is a bad thing it puts a lot of stress on heart and lungs which have to pump oxygenated blood through all that fat in your body. Muscles act like a pump so being lean with a bit of muscle is great it reduces stress on heart and lungs.

The first case of Delta in NSW the driver who transported the FedEx air crew recovered along with his wife.

This Dr will explain CDC data for you.


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Reply #6 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 6:13pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 6:02pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:21pm:
..............  Even though the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill, the vaccine’s protection was waning fastest for the oldest — the most vulnerable — who got their first jabs as early as December.

     At this rate, health officials predicted at least 5,000 people would need hospital beds by early September, half of them with serious medical needs, twice as many as Israel is equipped to handle.

https://www.ft.com/content/c21e2053-0373-4b8e-80b7-fad10f235604?shareType=nongif...



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.........   the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill     ............


There is your option.


You mean this option?

Over 30K unvaccinated  have recovered from this in Australia


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Reply #7 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 9:24pm
 
Can you idiots get your story straight?

COVID is harmless, but when you're trying to be anti-vax, they don't work and you will die from COVID...

Which is it?
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Reply #8 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:23pm:



The FDA guidelines say it needs minimum 50% to be approved.

They only allow it to be used with Emergency Use Authorisation none of the kung flu vaccines are FDA approved.

It looks like the Fizzer isn't going to get FDA approval if it wasn't for the EUA it wouldn't be allowed.
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Reply #9 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:20pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:23pm:



The FDA guidelines say it needs minimum 50% to be approved.

They only allow it to be used with Emergency Use Authorisation none of the kung flu vaccines are FDA approved.

It looks like the Fizzer isn't going to get FDA approval if it wasn't for the EUA it wouldn't be allowed.



It's a bio-weapon - with gain of function technology.
I want to hang Fauci.
He told the Chinks how to do it and even paid them.
It was all planned.

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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:20pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:08pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:23pm:



The FDA guidelines say it needs minimum 50% to be approved.

They only allow it to be used with Emergency Use Authorisation none of the kung flu vaccines are FDA approved.

It looks like the Fizzer isn't going to get FDA approval if it wasn't for the EUA it wouldn't be allowed.



It's a bio-weapon - with gain of function technology.
I want to hang Fauci.
He told the Chinks how to do it and even paid them.
It was all planned.



Obama banned gain of function research in the US after they made the H5N1 bird virus airborne transmissable resulting in scientists saying it's too dangerous to create a virus that can cause pandemics.

They paid China to do gain of function research.

I don't think it is a Bioweapon China has had SARS virus leak from their labs about 4 times they were able to contain leaks.

The fizzer vaccine doesn't look worthwhile side effects from Europe data show neurological conditions being 2nd most common with heart inflammation 3rd.

At 42% the Fizzer isn't going to get FDA approval.
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:38pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 9:24pm:
Can you idiots get your story straight?

COVID is harmless, but when you're trying to be anti-vax, they don't work and you will die from COVID...

Which is it?



What I can't get my head around, is how every Govt and every medical organisation in the world is in on this hoax .
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Reply #12 - Aug 15th, 2021 at 12:08am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 11:38pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 9:24pm:
Can you idiots get your story straight?

COVID is harmless, but when you're trying to be anti-vax, they don't work and you will die from COVID...

Which is it?



What I can't get my head around, is how every Govt and every medical organisation in the world is in on this hoax .


Who said it's a hoax in this thread?

Of course those who don't want to talk about things throw out words like Climate Denier, anti vaxxer and Islamophobe to silence any debate on those subjects and not allow critical thoughts.

If you're over 70 or Obese or have Diabetes or a combination of underlying conditions this could be a very bad thing to catch.

Not anti vax keep in mind none of the Kung Flu vaccinations have FDA approval Fizzer is unlikely to get it people should be allowed to talk about this or any other subject to make informed decisions.

Israel is now giving booster shots to double vaxxed people the first 2 don't woek that well. From what i have seen i wouldn't be waiting for Fizzer.

The CDC recntly admitted those who are fully vaxxed can still get Kung Flu and spread it which is why they have brought back asking people to mask up again. How will these vaccine passports work when vaxxed people can still catch and transmit the Kung Flu?

The CDC data shows unvaxxed people under 70 have a 99.5% survival rate, if the vax was 100% effective how many people under 70 would be saved if everyone got vaxxed?

The vaccines from Fizzer Moderna and AZ only target the spike protein teaching your immune system to fight that they are non sterilising vaccines that don't target the whole virus.

Those who have caught covid and recovered have immune systems that target the whole virus instead of just one part.


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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2021 at 10:49am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 6:02pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 5:21pm:
..............  Even though the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill, the vaccine’s protection was waning fastest for the oldest — the most vulnerable — who got their first jabs as early as December.

     At this rate, health officials predicted at least 5,000 people would need hospital beds by early September, half of them with serious medical needs, twice as many as Israel is equipped to handle.

https://www.ft.com/content/c21e2053-0373-4b8e-80b7-fad10f235604?shareType=nongif...



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.........   the unvaccinated were five to six times as likely to end up seriously ill     ............


There is your option.



sprint,

That ain't necessarily so.

That multiple expressed, may have just been formed from a 'popular' uninformed supposition [shared by the correspondent who wrote that piece],
regarding the 'popular' belief in the efficacy of the COVID vaccine.  ???

Do you have links to any reports, showing how being 'fully vaccinated' does give a huge reduction in harsh symptoms, for ALL those who are 'fully vaccinated' ?




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Reply #14 - Aug 15th, 2021 at 11:00am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 9:24pm:

Can you idiots get your story straight?

COVID is harmless, but when you're trying to be anti-vax, they don't work and you will die from COVID...


Which is it?



sadk,

How about you take off your [horse] blinkers ?     [.....but i'm not hopeful]

There ARE some groups of people, in all societies, which are at a much higher danger of a severe consequence from the COVID virus.



as per.....

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 14th, 2021 at 6:12pm:

I don't think it's a toss of the coin thing if you have to go to hospital for treatment there are some with much higher risk than others.

CDC data shows older people have higher risk along with the Obese and Diabetics.

Obesity is the strongest risk factor.






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