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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17417 Gender:	Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum Reply #75 - Aug 20^th, 2021 at 9:57pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 20^th, 2021 at 9:43pm: He thinks “Amsterdam 1990 94°F” refutes the warming since the 1950s when children wore overcoats outside in summer! Poor petal. now not only is he in denial he hast lost the ability to comprehend. the temperature quoted was 94 ° C
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Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum
Reply #76 - Aug 20^th, 2021 at 10:46pm

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"The observed climate variations in the 20th century can be explained by a combination of natural and human causes. There are three distinct natural causes of climate variations: volcanic eruptions, variations in solar activity and El Niño (5):

Strong volcanic eruptions, such as those of Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991, expel enormous quantities of dust high into the air. This dust remains in the atmosphere for several years and reflects sunlight back into space. As a result, the Earth’s surface becomes cooler.
The second natural factor, solar activity, is not constant and, consequently, the quantity of energy which reaches the Earth from the Sun varies slightly over time. This will in turn affect the temperature on Earth.
The third natural factor is El Niño. The temperature of the seawater in an area to the west of Peru is abnormally high once every 3–7 years, which causes changes in the ocean circulation patterns. This change eventually leads to abnormal global weather patterns and affects the average global temperature.

[url]From 1950 until the mid-1990s these three natural factors had a net cooling effect on the climate.[/url] Nevertheless, the average global temperature has increased considerably since the 1980s, mainly due to the emission of greenhouse gases (5).

https://www.climatechangepost.com/netherlands/climate-change/

Oooh naturally cooling in the Netherlands. How bizarre that you didn't mention that. Wink

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Reply #77 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 5:42am

Cooling factors yet the globe warmed. So AGW is responsible for over 100% of observed warming. 1°C since 1980 despite the sun going a tad quiet in the 1980s. Volcanoes and El Nino and La Nina have strictly temporary effects on climate.

If what you posted is supposed to refute the warming in Netherland it is wide off the mark. That you even attempt to refute that warming is a pointer to your mental ill health. Seek help lee.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46198 Gender:	Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum Reply #78 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 5:47am Meantime, Bobby has posted four cute kitten’n’puppy videos and NOTHING on the subject of his MRB. Bobby has not in fact posted anything on the subject of his board EVER. He would be happier as Mod of Critters and Gardens, I am sure. What about it. Bobby?
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Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum
Reply #79 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:24am

To summarise:

1. Below is a photo of the sun last month, showing the highest number of sunspots in quite some time. It demolishes the tedious parade of cold weather reports that now passes for thoughtful ecological content in what once was the Environment board. The reports selected to bore us rigid are not collected systematically, are not standardised, are not plotted in some way, show nothing.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46198 Gender:	Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum Reply #80 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:26am 2. The globe is not cooling, it is warming at the rate of 0.2°C per decade. I post the RSS graph showing this:
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Reply #81 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:30am

3. The warming is seen in fewer cold events and more heat events. Below are the BoM/CSIRO charts showing this and the global distributions show the same hot shift. Any number of cold weather reports as fill what SHOULD be the Environment Board just show that cold weather still happens. If a complete set of weather reports had been collected they would show the same thing as the BoM/CSIRO charts.

Everything Bobby has posted in the Dubyne MRB is meaningless.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46198 Gender:	Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum Reply #82 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:33am 3. cont’d The winters getting milder can also be seen from NOAA publications, see below:
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Reply #83 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:50am

There is no way that an ice age is in our future.

The whole cult (for cult it is) believing in an ice age due to a GSM arose because the Maunder Minimum happened in what was (incorrectly) called the Little Ice Age. The cult, including Bobby, translated that to mean the Maunder CAUSED the LIA. This is wrong.

The Maunder is taken to have occurred 1650–1725. The Little Ice Age is generally taken to have occurred 1350–1850.

Another fact has been twisted by the cult: it is thought That violent volcanic eruptions may have helped trigger the LIA. The cult has twisted that to mean that a GSM, which is the sun emitting a bit less UV, CAUSES earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

The violent 1531 Lisbon earthquake did take place in the LIA but since this lasted 500 years no relation between eathquakes and the LIA is demonstrated. As we know earthquakes happen where one tectonic plate is sliding under an adjacent plate. Nought to do with a GSM or LIA.

Bobby has bored us rigid with his ice age crap. I know of one poor soul who spends his days in Twitter posting weather reports and earthquake and volcanic activity “because of the GSM.” This behavior leads to madness IMHO.

I repeat my offer to Bobby:

We swap boards and you can move all the ice age and warming and cooling threads with you. Critters and Gardens will then be a big board. Then you can post cute kitten’n’puppy videos all day every day. No pressure, you can spend more time running the “real” PA.

How about it?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 46198 Gender:	Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum Reply #84 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 12:12pm When you move to the Critters and Gardens board you will have many more members visiting and posting then you do in the Dubyne MRB with its tedious stuff about an unlikely ice age and demented posts from fesperate lee. The kitten' 'puppy videos are the only ones you get a response to.
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Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum
Reply #85 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 12:20pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 5:42am:

Cooling factors yet the globe warmed. So AGW is responsible for over 100% of observed warming.

So up until 1990's the Netherlands struggled mightily against CO2 for 40 years but ultimately lost? Grin

Please identify how CO2 can cause MORE THAN 100% of AGW. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 5:42am:

If what you posted is supposed to refute the warming in Netherland it is wide off the mark.

You can't even lie straight.

BTW - Did you know the Netherlands homogenises temperatures to make them real? Grin

"Homogenization of daily temperature data of the
five principal stations in the Netherlands (version 1.0)"

https://cdn.knmi.nl/system/downloads/files/000/000/033/original/TR_homogeniseren...

But apparently they are keeping the originals -

"Recovery and disclosure of historical meteorological observations (Hisklim)"

https://www.knmi.nl/kennis-en-datacentrum/achtergrond/recovery-and-disclosure-of...

Which leads to this page -

"Pagina niet gevonden (404)"

https://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie.

OOPS

Such a dilberry

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Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum
Reply #86 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 12:39pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:30am:

3. The warming is seen in fewer cold events and more heat events. Below are the BoM/CSIRO charts showing this and the global distributions show the same hot shift

BoM ACORN SAT? really? Why does the pretty picture stop at 2015? Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:33am:

The winters getting milder can also be seen from NOAA publications, see below:

Is that the NOAA that can give temperature anomalies to 1/100th of a degree C all the way back to 1880? Grin

You really do try hard though. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17417 Gender:	Re: Sun is not in a Grand Solar Minimum Reply #87 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 1:08pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 7:50am: There is no way that an ice age is in our future. Madame Zara is that you?
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Reply #88 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 1:56pm

Desperate lee pleaded:

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Please identify how CO2 can cause MORE THAN 100% of AGW

Shows you have no math, no science just a desperate fear of AGW, a fear that has affected your mind.

Let us use an analogy: a speedboat is moving at a 100 knots against a 20 knot current. The motor has to overcome the current then power the boat to 100knots. The motor therefor is doing more than powering the boat at 100 knots. Simple concept unless your brain is unhinged with fear..

We know the Milankovitch Cycle is turning down—a simple matter of observation of the orbit and inclination of the planet. This means the area north of 65°N should be cooling, it is warming. AGW warms to match the cooling then warms the Arctic Circle, just like the speedboat in my analogy needs to overcome the 20knot current then power the boat to 100knots.

This is the last response I will make to your panic. Seek help lee SOON!

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Reply #89 - Aug 21^st, 2021 at 1:56pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 21^st, 2021 at 12:12pm:

When you move to the Critters and Gardens board you will have many more members visiting and posting then you do in the Dubyne MRB with its tedious stuff about an unlikely ice age and demented posts from desperate lee. The kitten'n'puppy videos are the only ones you get a response to.

Bobby?

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