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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Anti-vaxxers Aug 17^th, 2021 at 6:13pm
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #1 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 7:26pm Yep. But they don't care - they're not smart enough to care.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers
Reply #2 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 7:34pm

Usually I'd agree 100%, but with Covid and particularly Delta, the vaccine provides personal protection but still allows the vaccinated to spread it

Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #3 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 9:36pm https://ifunny.co/picture/please-stop-saying-you-researched-it-you-didn-t-resear...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106333 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #4 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:01pm The vaccines are not perfect but it's all we have.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96364	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #5 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:03pm Chodes - lives of pure garbage. We need to study him. 5 years minimum.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #6 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:04pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:01pm: The vaccines are not perfect but it's all we have. yes. It is the best we have. masks are good, washing hands is good, personal distance is good.
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Reply #7 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:17pm

The vaccines are useless that's why there are all these excuses.

Like climate change when something didn't turn out they make up all sorts of excuses.

People are running to get the jab thinking it will stop lock downs, it wont.

As long as we have covid there will be lock downs.

Unless they can produce a real vaccine and not a flu jab like the current crop.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #8 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus?
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Re: Anti-vaxxers
Reply #9 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:31pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus?

Well yes and or vaccination.

But we already have herd immunity.

Statistics show that 80% of unvaccinated people who catch covid-19 will experience from no symptoms at all to a very mild cold.

You dont hear that on main stream media, guess their not allowed to say it.

Instead they have become sales reps for big pharma.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30095 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #10 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:39pm UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm: Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus? No it's this LOL
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Reply #11 - Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 10:01pm:

The vaccines are not perfect but it's all we have.

bobby,

They are NOT vaccines.

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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

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Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease.

Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.

Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.

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And sprint, the OP.

Shame on you for promoting such a characterisation - of [many] people who simply want the natural right to make their own informed choice.

i.e.
sprint,

If you are vaccinated, i assume, that you did so, you CHOSE TO DO SO,
in order to be 'protected' by YOUR immunisation with your 'vaccine' ?

sprint,

A point of logic [i.e. your own ! ]......
1/ IF YOU ARE NOW VACCINATED, THEN YOU ARE 'PROTECTED'.
....YOU ARE AFFORDED THE PROTECTION WHICH YOUR COVID VACCINATION, ERR.... AFFORDS.

2/ IF I AM NOT VACCINATED, THEN BY YOUR LOGIC,
THE ONLY PERSON I CAN 'INJURE' IS MYSELF,
AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALSO UN-VACCINATED, WHOM I MAY COME INTO CONTACT WITH.

Is that logic correct sprint ?

That is what you believe [i think].

sprint,

Why won't you allow me, to believe what i believe ?

What do i believe ?

I [and many other people] believe that the COVID 'vaccines' cannot be a vaccine.
[see the definitions, above]

Because, they, the COVID 'vaccines', clearly DO NOT AFFORD PROTECTION TO MANY PEOPLE [WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #12 - Aug 18^th, 2021 at 8:32am UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm: Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus? No.
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Reply #13 - Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:15pm

sprint posted this IMAGE, in the OP......

IMAGE.....

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In reply, i post this CNN, sourced, and published information,
along with my questions, below.

n.b.
The MSM refer to COVID transmission THROUGH FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE, as 'a breakthrough infection'.

Quote:

8:00 p.m. ET, August 5, 2021

Fully vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, CDC director says

From CNN's Lauren Mascarenhas

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CDC provided data last week that showed how fully vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection can carry essentially that same amount of virus as an unvaccinated person,
allowing them to transmit the virus just like an unvaccinated person can.

That is why the CDC is recommending even vaccinated people wear masks indoors again, Walensky said.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-05-...

A QUESTION OF LOGIC;
How can people who are 'Fully vaccinated' [against COVID] and supposedly 'protected' from the COVID virus, transmit COVID to others ???

My understanding was, that THE WHOLE PURPOSE, of getting vaccinated, was to 'protect' the vaccinated individual,

and thereby eliminate the possibility of transmission of the COVID virus to others ???

What am i missing ?

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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

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Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease.

Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.

Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #14 - Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:43pm Breakthrough infections aren't related to herd immunity
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