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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #15 - Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:44pm John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 8:32am: UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 17^th, 2021 at 11:23pm: Isn't "herd immunity" when you get immune from having recovered from a particular virus? No. Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers.
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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #16 - Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.
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Reply #17 - Aug 18^th, 2021 at 4:11pm

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

Dear John,

How can we achieve 'Herd immunity' ???

WE CANNOT ACHIEVE HERD IMMUNITY !! ...without 'vaccines' which are TRULY effective against the COVID virus !

And it is apparent, that the CURRENT treatments against the COVID virus, which are being described as 'vaccines',
ARE NOT 'vaccines'.

And these 'treatments' cannot help us to achieve 'Herd immunity'....
...BECAUSE, THESE TREATMENTS [BEING CALLED 'VACCINES'], DO NOT WORK, AS DESCRIBED,
i.e. AS A TRUE VACCINE WOULD WORK !!

WWW search....

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in latest Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

A REAL VACCINE WOULD AFFORD PROTECTION
FROM THE COVID VIRUS !

But it is apparent to us all,       that Pfizer and other 'products' being used in the U.S. atm, do not afford consistent protection
from the COVID virus !

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A QUESTION OF LOGIC;
How is it possible that people who are 'Fully vaccinated' [against COVID] and supposedly 'protected' from the COVID virus, can transmit COVID to others ???

My understanding was, that    THE WHOLE PURPOSE,    of getting vaccinated, was to 'protect' the vaccinated individual,
and thereby    eliminate the possibility    of transmission of the COVID virus to others ???

What am i missing ?

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From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

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Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease.

Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.

Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #18 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 12:36am John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm: No. Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur. Well, that is basically what I said in my second response.
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Reply #19 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:31am

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 12:36am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

No.

Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

Well, that is basically what I said in my second response.

Not really

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Reply #20 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:32am

Yadda wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 4:11pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

Dear John,

How can we achieve 'Herd immunity' ???

WE CANNOT ACHIEVE HERD IMMUNITY !! ...without 'vaccines' which are TRULY effective against the COVID virus !

And it is apparent, that the CURRENT treatments against the COVID virus, which are being described as 'vaccines',
ARE NOT 'vaccines'.

And these 'treatments' cannot help us to achieve 'Herd immunity'....
...BECAUSE, THESE TREATMENTS [BEING CALLED 'VACCINES'], DO NOT WORK, AS DESCRIBED,
i.e. AS A TRUE VACCINE WOULD WORK !!

WWW search....

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in latest Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

A REAL VACCINE WOULD AFFORD PROTECTION
FROM THE COVID VIRUS !

But it is apparent to us all,       that Pfizer and other 'products' being used in the U.S. atm, do not afford consistent protection
from the COVID virus !

.

A QUESTION OF LOGIC;
How is it possible that people who are 'Fully vaccinated' [against COVID] and supposedly 'protected' from the COVID virus, can transmit COVID to others ???

My understanding was, that    THE WHOLE PURPOSE,    of getting vaccinated, was to 'protect' the vaccinated individual,
and thereby    eliminate the possibility    of transmission of the COVID virus to others ???

What am i missing ?

.

From the Oxford Dictionary.....

vaccinate

immunise

immune

------ >

Dictionary;
vaccinate = = treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease.

Dictionary;
immunise = = make immune to infection, typically by inoculation.

Dictionary;
immune = =
1 resistant to a particular infection owing to the presence of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
2 not susceptible.

Dear Yadda, Only some people experience breakthrough infections. Thus the rest who are vaccinated yet not experiencing we would asume to be immunised.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20710 Gordon Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads. Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.
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Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:50am

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am:

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads.

Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit.

Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

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Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:19am

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:50am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am:

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads.

Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit.

Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it.

As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself.

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Reply #24 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:20am

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:19am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:50am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am:

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads.

Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit.

Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it.

As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself.

But at what point do you get to the reverse enough people have been vaccinated but the people holding for stupid reasons are the issue.

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Reply #25 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:35am

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:20am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:19am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:50am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am:

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads.

Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit.

Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it.

As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself.

But at what point do you get to the reverse enough people have been vaccinated but the people holding for stupid reasons are the issue.

I suspect the noise true antivaxxers make is much higher than their actual number.

I also think the end of lockdown should be given a hard date and you either get vaxxed or stockpile food and hide in your house forever or accept the consequences of getting covid unvaccinated.

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Reply #26 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 10:55am

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:35am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:20am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 9:19am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:50am:

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 8:40am:

Bojak, with Delta it seems the vaccinated are asymptomatic and transporting around high viral loads.

Yes it's very protective against people getting very sick but not doing much to stop it spreading.

I'd agree with you on viral load based on what I've read. I'd also add in though that it seems that unvaccinated people with Delta are infectious for longer than those who are vaccinated (which I would class as a benefit.

Even having lower symptoms think that if you have enough being vaccinated, thats still a benefit? It means that we can avoid the ICU buildups that people were fearing at the start

On the highlighted bit, probably more than evened out by vaxxed people being asymptomatic and spreading it.

As you know I'm pro vaccine and probably the only one here to be triple vaxxed (2 pfizer 1 astra) but it's time for the conversation to change from it's all the anti vaxxers fault to get a vaccine to save yourself.

But at what point do you get to the reverse enough people have been vaccinated but the people holding for stupid reasons are the issue.

I suspect the noise true antivaxxers make is much higher than their actual number.

I also think the end of lockdown should be given a hard date and you either get vaxxed or stockpile food and hide in your house forever or accept the consequences of getting covid unvaccinated.

I think we are getting to that point. Especially as we are finally getting enough vaccine supply. Unlike what some people on here are suggesting, I don't think anyone was after a permannent lockdown.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 47425 Gender:	Re: Anti-vaxxers Reply #27 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 1:48pm I am fully vaccinated. If you are not, do NOT watch this, it will make you shuddering vaccine-hesitant (unless you are woke/pc/mr garrison, in which case you'll love it, m'kay, proving that you have enough problems already) https://twitter.com/BennyDRAMA7/status/1424834745079193600?s=20
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Reply #28 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 3:35pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 12:36am:

John Dillermand wrote on Aug 18^th, 2021 at 12:45pm:

No.

Herd immunity refers to the concept that in any population you immunise a high enough percentage that the contact between susceptible individuals is reduced to the point transmission in the community doesn't occur.

Well, that is basically what I said in my second response.

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Or more to the point recovering or getting vaccinated for a virus in large numbers.

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Reply #29 - Aug 19^th, 2021 at 4:57pm

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2021 at 1:48pm:

I am fully vaccinated.
If you are not, do NOT watch this, it will make you shuddering vaccine-hesitant (unless you are woke/pc/mr garrison, in which case you'll love it, m'kay, proving that you have enough problems already)

https://twitter.com/BennyDRAMA7/status/1424834745079193600?s=20

WATCH, to confirm why America in 2021, is 'cracked' [i.e. swirling down a cosmic toilet bowl]
whether under the Biden WH, OR whether NOT under the Biden WH !

Very, very sad, and sick.

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