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Reply #45 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 5:57am
 
the problem for ivermectin now is that it is impossible for it to be studied in the west.

imagine the repercussions for all the wests leaders, for scomo, boris, donald, joe, jacinda , fauci , our chief health officers if they DID study it and it DID do something.

imagine the repercussions for pfizer, moderna and AZ.

they would not only look foolish, they would look like mass murderers who denied people proper cheap therapy.

as only governments and big pharma COULD study it and they would be terrified by that prospect, such a study will never ever ever happen.

its dynamite and they know it.

its buried.

remember zuby

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6/ Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations.

7/ Most people believe the government acts in the best interests of the people. Even many who are vocal critics of the government.

8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

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Reply #46 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 8:57am
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 12:51am:
See if your GP can help these people:
"The coronavirus has killed six fully vaccinated people in the Seychelles, which is suffering heightened Covid-19 infections despite inoculating a greater proportion of its people than almost any other nation."
https://fortune.com/2021/07/02/fully-vaccinated-deaths-covid-seychelles-sinophar...

Not into right versus left regarding Ivermectin but blatantly silly posts are what they are.




I notice there you forgot to mention which vaccine they were using in the Seychelles. We already know Sinopharm has an extremely low effectiveness and I suspect there were batch issues with the Indian version of AZ. Additionally they were all over 60 and had multiple underlying conditions.
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Reply #47 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 9:09am
 

Australian imports of ivermectin increase tenfold, prompting warning from TGA

“Ivermectin is a prescription medicine that is not approved in Australia (or in other OECD countries) to prevent or treat Covid-19 disease, and should not be imported for this indication,” the regulator said.

“The TGA strongly discourages self-medication and self-dosing with ivermectin for Covid-19 as it may be dangerous to your health. There is insufficient evidence to validate the use of Ivermectin in patients with Covid-19.”
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Reply #48 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 9:35am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2021 at 8:02pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22nd, 2021 at 7:59pm:
or all of the losers who couldn't wait to take the unproven untested big pharma junk you didn't need to



you realise Ivermectin is owned by big pharma don't you? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy





KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 –
Merck
(NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;


A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.


https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19...





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Reply #49 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:46pm
 
Expert scientists welcome the news of UK Government-funded research into Ivermectin for Covid-19 but questions its merit.
A just-published, peer-reviewed study clearly shows that Ivermectin prevents and treats Covid-19 and has the potential to save and improve countless lives in the UK and worldwide right now.



Mr. Andrew Bryant
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Mr. Bryant (MSc) is a Biostatistician with experience in clinical trials and systematic review methodology based at Newcastle University, UK. He has published a vast number of systematic reviews and final study reports. His expertise in systematic reviews broadens the expertise in the Biostatistics Research Group in Population Health Sciences Institute at Newcastle University. He is also statistical editor for the Cochrane Gynaecological and Neurological Cancer Review Group. Alongside his latest Covid related research, he is completing his PhD doctorate on primary surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. He has an array of impressive academic metrics, including his peer-reviewed work being cited well in excess of 4000 times. He has complete equipoise and has never declared any conflicts of interest in any of his academic research.
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Dr Tess Lawrie
Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd
Tess is the Director of E-BMC Ltd, and EbMCsquared, a community interest research company. She is committed to improving the quality of healthcare through rigorous research. Her range of research expertise, based on research experience in both developing and developed countries, uniquely positions her to evaluate and design research for a variety of healthcare settings. Tess is a frequent member of technical teams responsible for developing international guidelines. Her peer-reviewed publications have received in excess of 3000 citations and her ResearchGate score is among the top 5% of ResearchGate members


Other Authors
Tony C. Tham MD FRCP
Ulster Hospital, Dundonald, Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK
Edmund J. Fordham PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Sarah R. Hill PhD
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Therese Dowswell PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Scott Mitchell MBChB MRCS
Emergency Department, Princess Elizabeth Hospital, Guernsey, UK
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Reply #50 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:56pm
 
interesting goose.

regarding india,

they eat a lot of tumeric which does seem to have some effect on helping zinc get into cells.
and green tea also seems to help transport zinc and magnesium into cells.
its fascinating there hasnt been any health advice AT ALL in the last 18 months on personal responsibility to improve your nutrition.

i think thats because its very easy for smug intellectuals (who are probably fat and have a crap diet) to feel like they are health experts by just "wearing a mask and getting jabbed"

now you SHOULD do those things but you should do a lot more.

looking at all these co morbities it is blatantly obvious that unhealthy people die and healthy people rarely do.

so why not change your diet, exercise and beef up your supply of green tea and green vegetables.

i guess virtue signalling about a vax is just a lot easier then fundamentally getting down , elbows deep in the mud and changing at your core
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Reply #51 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:23pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:56pm:
interesting goose.

regarding india,

they eat a lot of tumeric which does seem to have some effect on helping zinc get into cells.
and green tea also seems to help transport zinc and magnesium into cells.
its fascinating there hasnt been any health advice AT ALL in the last 18 months on personal responsibility to improve your nutrition.

i think thats because its very easy for smug intellectuals (who are probably fat and have a crap diet) to feel like they are health experts by just "wearing a mask and getting jabbed"

now you SHOULD do those things but you should do a lot more.

looking at all these co morbities it is blatantly obvious that unhealthy people die and healthy people rarely do.

so why not change your diet, exercise and beef up your supply of green tea and green vegetables.

i guess virtue signalling about a vax is just a lot easier then fundamentally getting down , elbows deep in the mud and changing at your core

I think it's a little more complex than "lazy people". It is undoubtedly more work getting into large, healthier dietary changes which involves much more food preparation and effort for the individual. The truth is there seems to be an ever growing number of individuals for whom even that does not seem to mitigate accelerating immune response issues throughout society. Even Cancer is really a manifestation of malfunctions in immunity, as malignant cells manage to escape recognition and elimination by the immune system.
There is plenty of data out there saying for the first time in possibly human history, our average life-spans have started going back-wards. There's lots of theories on what is driving that but basically there is too much broad spectrum disease development for it to be attributed to a single issue. I'd say there is likely to be simply too much chemical addition through all the food, water and environmental chains, in too short a time span, for our bodies to have adapted. That's not some big, green, left conspiracy opinion. It's a pretty sensible and central bow to draw in reality.
Not sure what the answer is though. Removing a large number of all the chemical interactions, including right back to growing and producing base meat and vegetables etc would have major repercussions for production levels.
There is of course the argument saying it is simply nature finding it's natural balance. Perhaps humans in there current form shouldn't be living longer.
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Reply #52 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:31pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:46pm:
Expert scientists welcome the news of UK Government-funded research into Ivermectin for Covid-19 but questions its merit.
A just-published, peer-reviewed study clearly shows that Ivermectin prevents and treats Covid-19 and has the potential to save and improve countless lives in the UK and worldwide right now.



Mr. Andrew Bryant
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Mr. Bryant (MSc) is a Biostatistician with experience in clinical trials and systematic review methodology based at Newcastle University, UK. He has published a vast number of systematic reviews and final study reports. His expertise in systematic reviews broadens the expertise in the Biostatistics Research Group in Population Health Sciences Institute at Newcastle University. He is also statistical editor for the Cochrane Gynaecological and Neurological Cancer Review Group. Alongside his latest Covid related research, he is completing his PhD doctorate on primary surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. He has an array of impressive academic metrics, including his peer-reviewed work being cited well in excess of 4000 times. He has complete equipoise and has never declared any conflicts of interest in any of his academic research.
.


Dr Tess Lawrie
Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd
Tess is the Director of E-BMC Ltd, and EbMCsquared, a community interest research company. She is committed to improving the quality of healthcare through rigorous research. Her range of research expertise, based on research experience in both developing and developed countries, uniquely positions her to evaluate and design research for a variety of healthcare settings. Tess is a frequent member of technical teams responsible for developing international guidelines. Her peer-reviewed publications have received in excess of 3000 citations and her ResearchGate score is among the top 5% of ResearchGate members


Other Authors
Tony C. Tham MD FRCP
Ulster Hospital, Dundonald, Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK
Edmund J. Fordham PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Sarah R. Hill PhD
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Therese Dowswell PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Scott Mitchell MBChB MRCS
Emergency Department, Princess Elizabeth Hospital, Guernsey, UK



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Reply #53 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:33pm
 
And scractch a ivermectin site, its always anti-vaxx
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Reply #54 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:33pm
 
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:31pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:46pm:
Expert scientists welcome the news of UK Government-funded research into Ivermectin for Covid-19 but questions its merit.
A just-published, peer-reviewed study clearly shows that Ivermectin prevents and treats Covid-19 and has the potential to save and improve countless lives in the UK and worldwide right now.



Mr. Andrew Bryant
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Mr. Bryant (MSc) is a Biostatistician with experience in clinical trials and systematic review methodology based at Newcastle University, UK. He has published a vast number of systematic reviews and final study reports. His expertise in systematic reviews broadens the expertise in the Biostatistics Research Group in Population Health Sciences Institute at Newcastle University. He is also statistical editor for the Cochrane Gynaecological and Neurological Cancer Review Group. Alongside his latest Covid related research, he is completing his PhD doctorate on primary surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. He has an array of impressive academic metrics, including his peer-reviewed work being cited well in excess of 4000 times. He has complete equipoise and has never declared any conflicts of interest in any of his academic research.
.


Dr Tess Lawrie
Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd
Tess is the Director of E-BMC Ltd, and EbMCsquared, a community interest research company. She is committed to improving the quality of healthcare through rigorous research. Her range of research expertise, based on research experience in both developing and developed countries, uniquely positions her to evaluate and design research for a variety of healthcare settings. Tess is a frequent member of technical teams responsible for developing international guidelines. Her peer-reviewed publications have received in excess of 3000 citations and her ResearchGate score is among the top 5% of ResearchGate members


Other Authors
Tony C. Tham MD FRCP
Ulster Hospital, Dundonald, Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK
Edmund J. Fordham PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Sarah R. Hill PhD
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Therese Dowswell PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Scott Mitchell MBChB MRCS
Emergency Department, Princess Elizabeth Hospital, Guernsey, UK



Always trust a metaanalysis that had to be printed on a web site.

Ah the response of an ideologue. Just disregard the qualifications and experts involved, including the universities such as Oxford and Newcastle. Lol, pathetic.
As an indication of just how ideological and non-factual based you evidently are;
Here is the actual peer reviewed and published study.

I guess you've now just confirmed the legitimacy of the first media group prepared to print it. Your true colours are really showing and it's pretty basic level right wing ideology.
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Reply #55 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:56pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:33pm:
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:31pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:46pm:
Expert scientists welcome the news of UK Government-funded research into Ivermectin for Covid-19 but questions its merit.
A just-published, peer-reviewed study clearly shows that Ivermectin prevents and treats Covid-19 and has the potential to save and improve countless lives in the UK and worldwide right now.



Mr. Andrew Bryant
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Mr. Bryant (MSc) is a Biostatistician with experience in clinical trials and systematic review methodology based at Newcastle University, UK. He has published a vast number of systematic reviews and final study reports. His expertise in systematic reviews broadens the expertise in the Biostatistics Research Group in Population Health Sciences Institute at Newcastle University. He is also statistical editor for the Cochrane Gynaecological and Neurological Cancer Review Group. Alongside his latest Covid related research, he is completing his PhD doctorate on primary surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. He has an array of impressive academic metrics, including his peer-reviewed work being cited well in excess of 4000 times. He has complete equipoise and has never declared any conflicts of interest in any of his academic research.
.


Dr Tess Lawrie
Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd
Tess is the Director of E-BMC Ltd, and EbMCsquared, a community interest research company. She is committed to improving the quality of healthcare through rigorous research. Her range of research expertise, based on research experience in both developing and developed countries, uniquely positions her to evaluate and design research for a variety of healthcare settings. Tess is a frequent member of technical teams responsible for developing international guidelines. Her peer-reviewed publications have received in excess of 3000 citations and her ResearchGate score is among the top 5% of ResearchGate members


Other Authors
Tony C. Tham MD FRCP
Ulster Hospital, Dundonald, Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK
Edmund J. Fordham PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Sarah R. Hill PhD
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Therese Dowswell PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Scott Mitchell MBChB MRCS
Emergency Department, Princess Elizabeth Hospital, Guernsey, UK



Always trust a metaanalysis that had to be printed on a web site.

Ah the response of an ideologue. Just disregard the qualifications and experts involved, including the universities such as Oxford and Newcastle. Lol, pathetic.
As an indication of just how ideological and non-factual based you evidently are;
Here is the actual peer reviewed and published study.

I guess you've now just confirmed the legitimacy of the first media group prepared to print it. Your true colours are really showing and it's pretty basic level right wing ideology.



Hang on a minute you're accusing me of being right wing because I'm arguing against ivermectin use?

Do you have any idea about the ideology of politicians pushing ivermectin as a treatment? Its not the greens let me tell you
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Reply #56 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:59pm
 
Read the discussion of that paper goosecat, still seems weak.


Moderate certainty, too few events to reach statistical significance.
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Reply #57 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 3:00pm
 
Have to admit though I'm too busy laughing at the accusation I'm right wing.
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Reply #58 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 3:00pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:23pm:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:56pm:
interesting goose.

regarding india,

they eat a lot of tumeric which does seem to have some effect on helping zinc get into cells.
and green tea also seems to help transport zinc and magnesium into cells.
its fascinating there hasnt been any health advice AT ALL in the last 18 months on personal responsibility to improve your nutrition.

i think thats because its very easy for smug intellectuals (who are probably fat and have a crap diet) to feel like they are health experts by just "wearing a mask and getting jabbed"

now you SHOULD do those things but you should do a lot more.

looking at all these co morbities it is blatantly obvious that unhealthy people die and healthy people rarely do.

so why not change your diet, exercise and beef up your supply of green tea and green vegetables.

i guess virtue signalling about a vax is just a lot easier then fundamentally getting down , elbows deep in the mud and changing at your core

I think it's a little more complex than "lazy people". It is undoubtedly more work getting into large, healthier dietary changes which involves much more food preparation and effort for the individual. The truth is there seems to be an ever growing number of individuals for whom even that does not seem to mitigate accelerating immune response issues throughout society. Even Cancer is really a manifestation of malfunctions in immunity, as malignant cells manage to escape recognition and elimination by the immune system.
There is plenty of data out there saying for the first time in possibly human history, our average life-spans have started going back-wards. There's lots of theories on what is driving that but basically there is too much broad spectrum disease development for it to be attributed to a single issue. I'd say there is likely to be simply too much chemical addition through all the food, water and environmental chains, in too short a time span, for our bodies to have adapted. That's not some big, green, left conspiracy opinion. It's a pretty sensible and central bow to draw in reality.
Not sure what the answer is though. Removing a large number of all the chemical interactions, including right back to growing and producing base meat and vegetables etc would have major repercussions for production levels.
There is of course the argument saying it is simply nature finding it's natural balance. Perhaps humans in there current form shouldn't be living longer.



yes, good point goose.

its why a vax is a good idea but you are going to need to do more then that.

so many "co-morbitites' can be reversed.

and people with lots of these health issues can "exist" as long as their systems arent stressed.

covid is a stress on your lungs, obviously.

if someone told me to carry a log to the top of a hill, i'm confident i could do it.

i doubt most people succumbing to covid could climb a flight of stairs.

but they have ample opportunity to work on their fitness.

why would you rely just on a vaccine when these facts are staring you in the face.

we really would be better off if Dan and Gladys led their states in a 1 hour cross fit class every day at 11 am instead of talking for the 100th time about "jabs in arms"

and those sherpas , who have the best lungs on the planet, live on that anti oxidant filled tea.

not as yummy as coca cola but way better
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Reply #59 - Sep 1st, 2021 at 3:11pm
 
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:56pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:33pm:
John Dillermand wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 2:31pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 1:46pm:
Expert scientists welcome the news of UK Government-funded research into Ivermectin for Covid-19 but questions its merit.
A just-published, peer-reviewed study clearly shows that Ivermectin prevents and treats Covid-19 and has the potential to save and improve countless lives in the UK and worldwide right now.



Mr. Andrew Bryant
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Mr. Bryant (MSc) is a Biostatistician with experience in clinical trials and systematic review methodology based at Newcastle University, UK. He has published a vast number of systematic reviews and final study reports. His expertise in systematic reviews broadens the expertise in the Biostatistics Research Group in Population Health Sciences Institute at Newcastle University. He is also statistical editor for the Cochrane Gynaecological and Neurological Cancer Review Group. Alongside his latest Covid related research, he is completing his PhD doctorate on primary surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. He has an array of impressive academic metrics, including his peer-reviewed work being cited well in excess of 4000 times. He has complete equipoise and has never declared any conflicts of interest in any of his academic research.
.


Dr Tess Lawrie
Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd
Tess is the Director of E-BMC Ltd, and EbMCsquared, a community interest research company. She is committed to improving the quality of healthcare through rigorous research. Her range of research expertise, based on research experience in both developing and developed countries, uniquely positions her to evaluate and design research for a variety of healthcare settings. Tess is a frequent member of technical teams responsible for developing international guidelines. Her peer-reviewed publications have received in excess of 3000 citations and her ResearchGate score is among the top 5% of ResearchGate members


Other Authors
Tony C. Tham MD FRCP
Ulster Hospital, Dundonald, Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK
Edmund J. Fordham PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Sarah R. Hill PhD
Population Health Sciences Institute, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
Therese Dowswell PhD
Evidence-Medicine consultancy Ltd, Bath, UK
Scott Mitchell MBChB MRCS
Emergency Department, Princess Elizabeth Hospital, Guernsey, UK



Always trust a metaanalysis that had to be printed on a web site.

Ah the response of an ideologue. Just disregard the qualifications and experts involved, including the universities such as Oxford and Newcastle. Lol, pathetic.
As an indication of just how ideological and non-factual based you evidently are;
Here is the actual peer reviewed and published study.

I guess you've now just confirmed the legitimacy of the first media group prepared to print it. Your true colours are really showing and it's pretty basic level right wing ideology.



Hang on a minute you're accusing me of being right wing because I'm arguing against ivermectin use?

Do you have any idea about the ideology of politicians pushing ivermectin as a treatment? Its not the greens let me tell you

Fair enough, I shouldn't have used that term and it's not what I meant really. It does seem to be the more right leaning folk who instantly jump to an at times juvenile and under researched "fake news" proclamation, which you did.
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